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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:26 am 
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The art of thievery includes the victim being unaware that you are stealing from them, or what you are even stealing from them.

Chances are, you've been robbed in the past and didn't know it.

Some woman at a convenience store tried to rip me off once but I do calculate how much change I get back in my head before the cashier hands it to me.

I've seen better tricks though.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:14 pm 
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This thievery sytsem is a hidden make the newbie suck system.
I am a giant, i need to spend money (resize) on each and every equipment i find. Wasting money is something what i cant afford! Now i need to quit and relog 50-100 times every time i want to test an equipment. Do you really want to make me do this?
If nothing else, i suggest an NPC who cheaply identify equipments.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:36 pm 
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Now i need to quit and relog 50-100 times every time i want to test an equipment.


Only if you really want your out-of-level equipment to disappear. And why would you?

The chance of something getting stolen depends on how many levels it's above you. Modestly overpowered stuff is likely to stay for several logins. Keep it! Use it! Soon you'll be at Veteran (Level 26) anyway, and it'll be a rare store item indeed that you can't keep.

The only people this really hurts are those who constantly buy the best equipment they can. You really don't need tanso steel boots at level 5. Virtually unrestricted iron will do as well.

As long as you're buying appropriate things - things that you can easily afford - you're probably going to do fine. Buy an extra weapon as a spare, just in case. The occasional gap in your armor won't hurt you overmuch. That goes double once you get to Initiate or Apprentice, when armor becomes easy to attain.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:35 pm 
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SK has been trying to help newbies get used to the game, but it is definitely not an easy game. This isn't World of Warcraft. There is no forgiveness.

The best thing you can do is ask people for help. If you want to RP a character that won't ask people for help then you will have a very difficult time.

I made a sprite character, leveled up to novice, decided to go to nerina to get a better weapon, but I try to take a shortcut and get attacked by a zakami beastie. I had a pet infront of me, but when I flee and try to get my pet back, I end up getting killed by a tiger. There don't seem to be any priests on, but I manage to solve two riddles and get back to live.. now with no money, no clothes or weapons... I am a shaman so I am able to keep casting refresh on myself and make it to nerina. I hang out at the inn for a little bit and convince someone to buy my poor unfortunate sprite a weapon and a few pieces of armor. With that, I am able to get back and destroy low level NPCs for gold!

The level thief thing encourages people not to log off. If you are really interested in power leveling, get enough money to buy the good gear, then don't log off. Just play for 24 hours straight. No log out thieves can touch you if you don't log off.


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Just play for 24 hours straight.

Why didn't I think of that?


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theDrifter wrote:
SK has been trying to help newbies get used to the game, but it is definitely not an easy game. This isn't World of Warcraft. There is no forgiveness.

The best thing you can do is ask people for help. If you want to RP a character that won't ask people for help then you will have a very difficult time.

I made a sprite character, leveled up to novice, decided to go to nerina to get a better weapon, but I try to take a shortcut and get attacked by a zakami beastie. I had a pet infront of me, but when I flee and try to get my pet back, I end up getting killed by a tiger. There don't seem to be any priests on, but I manage to solve two riddles and get back to live.. now with no money, no clothes or weapons... I am a shaman so I am able to keep casting refresh on myself and make it to nerina. I hang out at the inn for a little bit and convince someone to buy my poor unfortunate sprite a weapon and a few pieces of armor. With that, I am able to get back and destroy low level NPCs for gold!

The level thief thing encourages people not to log off. If you are really interested in power leveling, get enough money to buy the good gear, then don't log off. Just play for 24 hours straight. No log out thieves can touch you if you don't log off.

This is not hard game. Boring! It is quite a difference! PE regen, waiting for portals, 3-4 hours inactive sleeping per day, 200 quit/logon dailly just for test equipment level, the inability to use my skills, the inability to use even the equipments what i loot from NPCs what i killed alone...
Example: I killed scout commander alone, and i am not high lvl enough (apprentice4) to use those equipments. This is the common fault of each equipment level type Muds: I always get higher level equipment so i am still continually frustrated. A lvl 30 NPC (what i kill on lvl 25) should drop lvl 20-25 equipments...
Only if you really want your out-of-level equipment to disappear. And why would you?
First of all, i dont want to spend money on resize if i know it will disappear.
Second, If it disappears when i am in a zone, then i need to go get a new one, then walk back. Waiting for portal, sleeping for PE, another 20-30 minutes inactivity.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:55 am 
There is no reason at all you should be sleeping for that long. If it says you're hungry, for heaven's sake freakin' eat. If your character is thirsty, give him some water. If you don't, it IS going to take him forever to rest up. That's why you're given bread and a waterskin, though.



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200 quit/logon dailly just for test equipment level // First of all, i dont want to spend money on resize if i know it will disappear.


Um. This is horse-poo. There's a spell called "identify" and more than one class can cast it. The casters of this spell should be able to tell you your chances of losing an item. Also shrink/enlarge. Most people will cast them for free. Just gotta ask.


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the inability to use my skills


May I suggest the use of the MENTOR feature? This will also likely help you with the above issues you're having.




I know there's a lot of helpfiles, but did you bother reading them when you went through newbie school?







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A lvl 30 NPC (what i kill on lvl 25) should drop lvl 20-25 equipments...


Says . . . . you? Why?


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By the way, if reality matters at all, a full night sleeping (8 ticks) should be enough to regen EP for an average person (without endurance). It is 12.5 % /tick, that is like 6 times faster regen as it is now if i am correct.
Edit: Yes, i regen 5% / tick sleeping if i am not hungry, thirsty. That is 20 ticks for full regen=20-30 minutes. Regen seems to be independent from level, so at grandmaster it should be like 2% regen/ticks.
About equipment: Yes, it is called 'reward'. If you kill something hard, you might be rewarded for you deed, not punished by losing equipment. Killing 5-10 level higher NPC is possible without cheating (a high lvl friend kill it for you), so you might expect reward for it. This is what i said.
Also please be realistic. If i ask a mage to identify something, there is a chance he do that. Do that once, twice. But if i send tells 30 times a day "hey mage, i found something again, come identify it" he will answer 'f*ck you', unless he is an NPC...


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:14 am 
Then you wait until you have a few of them and then you ask. Most players would at least be courteous enough to say, "Hey, you're level 6. Nothing you get in (area) you're going to be able to hold on to, so stop bothering me."

Ever considered having someone hold your things for you? PLENTY of people are nice enough to do that, if you're afraid of losing it.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:26 am 
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SK Character: That'd be telling
Toronor - We have all felt the frustration which you feel, but there are ways around all of them. I explored far and wide as a newbie and yes, at times it was frustrating, I slept an awful lot, died an awful lot, lost a tonne of equipment, but in the end, I realised how to make my life easier.

(Just to clarify points already made in this and your other thread, and advice which you really should heed)

1. Make sure you are walking.
2. Take food and water.
3. Buy a mount.
4. If there is a path use it wherever you can - then leave the path when you find an area of more interest. Paths reduce your PE cost by a huge amount.
5. See if you can get someone to explore with you, someone who is able to cast refresh, create food and drink.
6. instead of waiting for a gate, ask someone if they can perhaps cast one for you.
7. Sleeping in INNs gives a big boost to your regen. Of course, while exploring this can be problematic.

There are only a couple of things I really disagree with:

toronar wrote:
...a full night sleeping (8 ticks) should be enough to regen EP for an average person...

But if i send tells 30 times a day "hey mage, i found something again, come identify it" he will answer 'f*ck you', unless he is an NPC...


The first point is valid if in an Inn or a place of comfort, not when you are sleeping rough in some freezing wastelands, jungle, etc.

The second, I don't think I know a single player who would react in that manner. Besides, you don't need everything identified. Do you know how to use the compare command?

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Killing 5-10 level higher NPC is possible without cheating (a high lvl friend kill it for you), so you might expect reward for it. This is what i said.


There is this final point too actually. You haven't killed anything if your buddy does it for you, so yes, you get the spoils of war, but of course there is a chance they are going to be far superior to your current level, hence the need to get a high level buddy to help you.

The best advice as one who started playing the MUD not all the long ago is: Get some IC friends to aid you with things. Ask IC for locations of interest, so at least you have some idea where you are going.

You really aren't the first to suffer and you probably wont be the last. Hard work and patience makes the reward all the more sweeter.


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