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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:35 pm 
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Carsetius wrote:
Your post confirms all that I have just said. Now adays you have to get the jump on people in pk so you have to be the first one to attack. Many ( not all) attack first then ask questions latter. I am saying that this should not be the way it is but it is. So until this mud shifts from being pk crazy then there will always be lots of random killing.


Um. I can't think of many competitions throughout history where surprise doesn't give you an advantage. Should this be the way it should be? To some extent, yes. Just like in life (hell, VERY much like in life), mistakes happen. People get hit that weren't supposed to, and some die that weren't related. That's just the risks you take. At least in SK, you have a MUCH higher chance of escaping alive then some poor iraqi villagers who happened to live 100 feet away from an armed rebel camp. There are plenty of things you can do that make it so that you're practically invulnerable to surprise attack (not saying that you'll win the battle, but that you'll have time to quaff word or flee). The reason why people get killed is usually because they were careless or grouped up to fight a pitched battle.

P.S. I'd like to point out this attack wasn't "random", btw.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:47 pm 
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I am not saying that surpise tatics is a bad thing. What I am saying is that people now adays just attack you if you have an adjective that looks simlar to some other char then will just kill you. They will not even look at you. If they would look at you then they could see the fact that you have on noob eq so they would know that you are not the same person that they think you might be.

All that I am saying is that these so called misstakes happen a lot more that you think they do and a lot more than they should.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:59 pm 
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P.S. I'd like to point out this attack wasn't "random", btw.


If it wasn't random, why didn't these characters, obviously much higher level killing a n00b (isn't that healing elixir well known as an object directly out of the Teron newbie school?), why didn't any of the characters involved make any effort to roleplay with the n00b they'd just ambushed?

There is a difference between n00bs getting killed in the crossfire or killed due to mistaken identity and specifically and directly attacking and killing obvious lowbies without RP reason. The latter *IS* subject to punishment when we (the immortals) are aware of it happening.


Sysulan: Yes, this does happen, but PK shouldn't be happening without RP, especially newbie-killing. If/when this happens, pray about it and hopefully an imm will be online and able to help you. NOTE: this does not mean that you will always see all the roleplay involved with your death, nor does it mean that ANY n00b has the right to act any certain way without having to face the consequences of those actions.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:04 pm 
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What happens to those who randomly pk mid-level characters for no reason? Is there any protection for them?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:19 pm 
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Carsetius wrote:
What happens to those who randomly pk mid-level characters for no reason? Is there any protection for them?



PK without RP (meaning without a roleplay basis at all- but NOT necessarily meaning walking up to a person, scowling and giving a speech about how you're going to tear a person limb from limb before attacking) is subject to penalty.

Now, what I've found is that most of the time, even when the victim doesn't KNOW why they were killed, there do exist RP reasons behind it. The no-RP PK tends to happen most often to lowbies because they make easy targets, they don't usually have many friends yet, and haven't lived long enough yet to have earned a lot of enemies or grudges.

On a personal level, the vast majority of players deal with a PK better when they at least know OOC why they were killed or at least that there was a valid reason behind it. Therefore when engaging in PK, I suggest following the Golden Rule- do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I'm a strong believer in karma (or justice), and all things we do will come back to us eventually.


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I'm aware that you won't necessarily see the RP which has led to your character's death. There could be plenty of reasons for that - maybe an Adept Leader has told some new Adepts to kill your Peacekeeper Commander as a test of their skills. Etc etc etc. But "I saw a deep elf at the Teron Crossroads, let's go kill him!" "OK!" does not really qualify as RP to my mind.

My deep elf had just made Novice. He hadn't been around enough to make enemies, as far as I'm aware. If anyone can enlighten me as to some reason he killed without a word, I'd be willing to stand corrected, but this does seem to me to embody a random newbie killing.

I guess it's only a level worth of XP and a few platinum worth of equipment I lost, but that certainly stings early on, and takes hours to recover from when you've yet to make friends and allies.


Anyway, I'll keep in mind in the future that no-RP killing is a punishable offense, and that I should let the Imms know about it. Thanks for all the advice on avoiding death, too - I'll keep that in mind.


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That your killers didn't stick around to roleplay after the fact is a reasonable complaint. That a deep-elf gets killed in Teron ... is to be expected, I'm afraid.

Playing any race of known alignment (elf, deep-elf, griffon) can get you killed. Teron is a frequent battleground as well - easily the most dangerous of the major cities.

Thankfully, not everyone shows such harshness to newbies. I"ve heard of hellions giving directions to griffons that stumble into Menegroth. At the very least, you'd hope to see mode stun used, unless they really did mistake you for someone else. Unfortunately, these things happen.

I'd note that you do have some IC recourse. In addition to dark-aura characters who might well take umbrage at this attack, there are bulletin notices about the Sentinels of Teron, should your character be citizen. But if nothing else, at least this is roleplay fodder.


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I"ve heard of hellions giving directions to griffons that stumble into Menegroth.


:D I've seen deep-elves mounted on griffons in kytar. I almost died of laughter :P


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I find it amusing that this topic kinda veered near adjectives and the guy who did the random killing was a "dark-hair male dwarf"


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I know the identities of the elf and the dwarf. They're being reguarly chastised already, but I'll kick them in the head once or twice more for ya Sysulan :devil:


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