Resurrection guidelines

Leri · **Joined:** Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:36 am **Posts:** 184

What are the limits for what you are allowed to do as a priest when resurrecting someone? I have heard of curses given to people resurrecting an enemy next to a law NPC, so I assume that isn't allowed. But is any kind of hostile resurrection permitted?

Example:
Priest of Thuban, god of deceit and betrayal, pretends to be a priest of Meissa. Poor dead elf asks the priest for a resurrection, the priest says sure! And resurrects the elf in a !recall place with lots of aggro NPCs.. or maybe just in the air above a city, or lava tunnels or some other place you want to be flying, making the elf go back to the river.

Is this allowed? The roleplay context seems in order... but would it be seen as some sort of abuse?

Forsooth · **Joined:** Mon Feb 17, 2003 9:55 pm **Posts:** 1365

Somewhere hiding in the internal note system (as opposed to the IC bulletin boards or the forums) is an notice about malicious resurrection. You might want to look at that for the official ruling. I've interpeted it this way:

You're not allowed to use return-to-life spells for the injury of the restored person.

In RP terms, restoration to life is the highest gift of the gods/spirits/elements, and shouldn't be used on enemies. In practical terms, the penalties for death restoration aren't meant for use in PK. (If nothing else, there's going to be cumulative spirit disorientation.)

So this would cover not only intentional experience loss through raise dead, but immediate rekilling through NPCs or terrain.

The exception is if the victim consents, either explicitly or by deception. For example, if you were told you were resurrecting a deep-elf but find an elf before you, you're entitled to correct your mistake by slaughtering it.

TheIceHellion · **Posted:** Sun May 01, 2005 9:13 am

The only times I remember people getting punished for using the resurrect spell was when they would rez an enemy at a judge so the person would get thrown in jail, and they didn't have the persons permition to rez them.

I have killed quite a few people after I had just rezed them with my priests chars.
Either they didn't show good enough thanks for the rez, or they recalled right away before even RPing, or they lied when I asked them questions before I rezed them, such as Aura, race, class wich faith they were in ect.

A few times I was asked to rez someone, RPed with them for a little bit, then rezed then inside of whatever city I was in but they happened to be outlawed there so they were thrown in jail.
Sure they bitched and complained, one even said they were going to report me to the imms because it was an Abuse of the rez spell :roll:

They ended up serving a 20 day jail term, and I kept my rez spell just like it was.

P.S. When asking for a Rez do the priest a favor and give you name and if you are in the afterlife or not, Not all priest walk around with spirit sight up 24/7.
P.P.S. Oh and if you don't want to get thrown into a jail right after a priest rezes you make sure to tell them "Please don't bring me back in XXX or YYY ect..

Leri · **Joined:** Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:36 am **Posts:** 184

I'm a little slow tonight, so let me try to specify my confusion.

From Inidil's afterlife thread:

own! wrote:

I think my first interaction with this character was when she ressed Hiroshi, my human Fist follower of Dulrik (a res is a res?) Sadly, it happened on the way to the magma golem without fly, and that one res quickly became around ten.

Good times.

I may be completely daft here, but I didn't see that as being ironic, and I thought it kinda neat as well.

The question is, is it allowed? I don't question the "they must ask first" rule, which makes perfect sense. But if they ask, with suitable roleplay both before and after, is a malicious resurrection allowed?

I am reading the replies here as a firm no. Im not entirely sure how to find that internal note system, but when I do I will read the post mentioned - thanks for mentioning it.

If the answer is no, can I ask why? Again, I completely understand why the person dead needs to ask for the resurrection first, so abuse is prevented. But when asked, the dead either deceived or foolishly asking an enemy... why is it bad to drop 'em in a pile of lava.. or whatever else might be at hand?

Ilyana · **Joined:** Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:39 pm **Posts:** 654

A lot of rules surrounding res are faith based. Aludra priests will res anybody that says they have love in their heart for example, while a priest of Meissa won't res any darkies (or atleast they're not supposed to *mutters at Deirdra*). Different faiths have different rules surrounding resurrection. Now if you log on and type 'news read 36' you will see a note that states the following...

Code:

[ 36 ] Algorab: Vindictive Life-Giving
Sun Dec  7 09:32:34 2003
To: All
It has come to our attention that some of the beneficial spells which can be
used to bring people back to life are being used instead to inflict harm.
Whether this is quantifiable harm (as in loss of XP from a 'raise dead' or a
'breath of life' alone or combined with an instant attack, forcing the
victim to flee and lose a level) or harm done to the character's concept (as
in forcing a tribal character to accept a resurrection against their will,
or bringing someone back to life who would prefer to remain in the afterlife
for a time) does not matter.
 
If it appears that you are about to be the victim of an attempt to have your
XP drained away from repetitive efforts at raising/breathing your character,
then forcing him to flee and killing him after he has lost another level,
please set your wimpy to 0.  This is your best defense against this tactic at
the current time. This raise/level-drain tactic is a loophole in the code and
is illegal from this point on. If I am told of anyone using it and it is
verified, that person will be punished and/or demoted.
 
Do not bring someone back to life against their will.  Those who do will face
penalties ranging from loss of XP to loss of the spell on upwards to deletion
of the character involved for repeat offenders.
 
Thank you for your attention.
 
Algorab

That lays out the OOC rules pretty well surrounding the spell. I suggest you log any and all life giving you do. If you accidentally land a person in jail because banishment failed to come up, a log could save your rear. Same goes for people who ask for raises and then say they didn't really want it to try to get you in trouble. Better to be safe than sorry.

Leri · **Joined:** Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:36 am **Posts:** 184

*rubs temples* I'm still not certain what the answer is. I know Im being a really irritating newbie here, but Im desperately trying to figure out what goes and what doesn't.

Ok. Looking at the details in Algorab's post:

Quote:

Do not bring someone back to life against their will.

No issues there. They need to ask for the resurrection first.

Quote:

This raise/level-drain tactic is a loophole in the code and
is illegal from this point on.

Also completely clear. Do not use resurrection forms that steal experience.

Quote:

Whether (...) or harm done to the character's concept (as in forcing a tribal character to accept a resurrection against their will, or bringing someone back to life who would prefer to remain in the afterlife for a time) does not matter.

This is where I get in doubt. Assuming we're talking a resurrection which does not steal experience, assuming we're talking someone who has asked for the resurrection, either from an enemy or someone they think a friend (refering to Thuban scenario)... Is it still illegal? Is Inidil's resurrection illegal (or would have been had it been done post-rule), even though own's character asked for the resurrection, because she knowingly brought him back a place where he would die again?

Forsooth, I understand your reply as a clearly stated yes (as in yes, it is illegal). Regardless of whether the action would please the God (a Thuban priestess glowering at the deception and defeat of an enemy through resurrection makes sense RPwise, no?).

I hope my confusion is clear, and I'm very sorry for the blondeness. I just don't want to end up getting cursed because I somehow confused wicked roleplay with rule breaking.... :-?

allikat · **Posted:** Sun May 01, 2005 2:09 pm

If they ask you for a rez, it's fine, and they can live (or die) from where they're brought back. If they don't ask you, things get questionable.

josephusmaximus3 · **Joined:** Tue May 20, 2003 1:19 pm **Posts:** 1896

It can cause harm by building up spirit disorientations.

el_kabong · **Joined:** Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:49 pm **Posts:** 76

The original rule regarded vindictive raising -- using BoL or Raise Dead to cause loss of experience (raise xxx, k xxx, causing xxx to flee and drop a level). Later the guideline was broadened to basically state that one should not bring another back to life without the permission of the dead. Aside from that, what you're pondering is definately an assinine thing to do, but, within the guidelines set forth prior.

Leri · **Joined:** Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:36 am **Posts:** 184

So... Thats two negative, three positive and one asinine.

Think I'll just stay away from evil priests heh.

Thanks for the replies.

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