Persuading people in the same group

Stejil · **Joined:** Thu Aug 19, 2004 7:54 pm **Posts:** 128

Hmmm...well I'm not sure where this is supposed to go, but I'll put it here.

Can you persuade people to attack people in their own group?

(I've tried in only one place with NPC NPCs so far, and it hasn't work, and i've checked that they're behind each other too.)

Lagelli · **Posted:** Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:22 pm

Yes. Try to find these things out IC, though.

Adder · **Posted:** Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:19 am

You can persuade people to do just about anything (if not everything) you could do with an order command if they were charmed by you. Keep in mind of reaching weapons and group formations and such.

Guest · **Posted:** Sun Sep 11, 2005 2:35 pm

Lagelli wrote:

Yes. Try to find these things out IC, though.

Nice contradiction, bright eyes.

Stejil · **Joined:** Thu Aug 19, 2004 7:54 pm **Posts:** 128

ok, well here's why I asked....I'll post all the tests on the NPC log...

so basically, the order is from front to back, stalwart human, one-eared giant, fiery-eyed deep-elf in the coming log.

I persuade the deep-elf to kill the giant which is right in front of him....nothing happens.

(after a bit of editing with my logs...)

Code:

The Middle of the Quarry...

(Invis) (Pink Flames) A male deep-elf with a fiery red glow about him is here.
(Invis) A puny human woman with short arms is here.
A blonde female half-elf is here.
A male giant with only one ear is here.
A fierce-looking human woman is here.
A tall giant with lean muscles is here.
A stalwart male human with green-tinged skin is here.
A burly male human is here.
A lissome halfling with her hair in a ponytail is here.
A komodo dragon crawls in from the south.

[HP: 93] [ME: 96] [PE: 85] (Coins: zero)

[HP: 93] [ME: 96] [PE: 85] (Coins: zero)

gl delf
You are looking at a fiery-eyed male deep-elf Volator.
A stalwart male human Volator and a one-eared male giant are in front of him.
Overall, a fiery-eyed male deep-elf Volator is in excellent condition.

[HP: 93] [ME: 96] [PE: 85] (Coins: zero)

gl stal
You are looking at a stalwart male human Volator.
A one-eared male giant and a fiery-eyed male deep-elf Volator are behind him.
Overall, a stalwart male human Volator is in excellent condition.

[HP: 91] [ME: 94] [PE: 86] (Coins: zero)

gl on
You are looking at a one-eared male giant.
A stalwart male human Volator is in front of him with a fiery-eyed male deep-elf Volator in the rear.
Overall, a one-eared male giant is in excellent condition.

[HP: 91] [ME: 94] [PE: 86] (Coins: zero)

pers delf k one
They are completely unmoved by your words.

[HP: 91] [ME: 84] [PE: 86] (Coins: zero)

pers delf k one
They are completely unmoved by your words.

[HP: 91] [ME: 73] [PE: 86] (Coins: zero)

pers delf k one
Ok.

[HP: 91] [ME: 63] [PE: 86] (Coins: zero)

ok, so maybe you can't attack the person in front of you, how about to the left or right?

the plan - figure out who's in the back. i persuade the puny one to attack the blonde one first, then persuade the fiery-eyed one to attack the blonde one, just in case they're not directly to the right or left of each other.

Code:

[HP:100] [ME: 59] [PE: 85] (Coins: zero)

gl pun
gl blo
You are looking at a puny female human Volator.
A burly male human Volator and a fierce-looking female human Volator are in front of her.
Overall, a puny female human Volator is in excellent condition.

[HP:100] [ME: 59] [PE: 85] (Coins: zero)

You are looking at a blonde female half-elf Volator.
A lissome female halfling Volator and a wiry male giant Volator are in front of her.
Overall, a blonde female half-elf Volator is in excellent condition.

[HP:100] [ME: 59] [PE: 85] (Coins: zero)

pers pun k blo
Ok.

[HP:100] [ME: 49] [PE: 85] (Coins: zero)

gl delf
You are looking at a fiery-eyed male deep-elf Volator.
A stalwart male human Volator and a one-eared male giant are in front of him.
Overall, a fiery-eyed male deep-elf Volator is in excellent condition.

[HP:100] [ME: 49] [PE: 85] (Coins: zero)

pers delf k blo
Ok.

[HP:100] [ME: 38] [PE: 85] (Coins: zero)

rest
You sit down and rest your tired bones.

[HP:100] [ME: 38] [PE: 85] (Coins: zero)

what gives? nothing's still happening!!

which leads to why i made this post to start out with.

many thanks to everyone who read this really long post. and comments are always welcome, since i really can't figure this out.

Edit: switched around some things

TheIceHellion · **Posted:** Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:58 pm

Stejil wrote:

ok, well here's why I asked....I'll post all the tests on the NPC log...

so basically, the order is from front to back, stalwart human, one-eared giant, fiery-eyed deep-elf in the coming log.

I persuade the deep-elf to kill the giant which is right in front of him....nothing happens.

(after a bit of editing with my logs...)

Code:

You are looking at a fiery-eyed male deep-elf Volator.
A stalwart male human Volator and a one-eared male giant are in[i] front [/i]of him.
Overall, a fiery-eyed male deep-elf Volator is in excellent condition.

[HP: 93] [ME: 96] [PE: 85] (Coins: zero)

gl stal
You are looking at a stalwart male human Volator.
A one-eared male giant and a fiery-eyed male deep-elf Volator are [i]behind[/i] him.
Overall, a stalwart male human Volator is in excellent condition.

[HP: 91] [ME: 94] [PE: 86] (Coins: zero)

gl on
You are looking at a one-eared male giant.
A stalwart male human Volator is in [i]front of him[/i] with a fiery-eyed male deep-elf Volator in the rear.
Overall, a one-eared male giant is in excellent condition.

pers delf k one
Ok.

ok, so maybe you can't attack the person in front of you, how about to the left or right?

Right you ordered a NPC in the 3rd row (the very back) to attack one in the middle row, Not going to work unless the deep-elf one has a ranged weapon such as a bow or Xbow (wich you'd have to persuade them to shoot XXX insted of kill XXX) or a reach weapon.

Quote:

Code:

[HP:100] [ME: 59] [PE: 85] (Coins: zero)

gl pun
gl blo
You are looking at a puny female human Volator.
A burly male human Volator and a fierce-looking female human Volator are in [i]front of her[/i].
Overall, a puny female human Volator is in excellent condition.

[HP:100] [ME: 59] [PE: 85] (Coins: zero)

You are looking at a blonde female half-elf Volator.
A lissome female halfling Volator and a wiry male giant Volator are in[i] front of her.[/i]
Overall, a blonde female half-elf Volator is in excellent condition.

pers pun k blo
Ok.

gl delf
You are looking at a fiery-eyed male deep-elf Volator.
A stalwart male human Volator and a one-eared male giant are in [i]front of him.[/i]
Overall, a fiery-eyed male deep-elf Volator is in excellent condition.

pers delf k blo
Ok.

Now again you are trying to persuade two NPCs in the 3rd row to attack each other, wich isn't going to work unless they are in the same group and even then it may not work unless the one you are ordering to attack can see the other one.

Stejil · **Joined:** Thu Aug 19, 2004 7:54 pm **Posts:** 128

hmmm....first part ... they're in the same group, one's right behind the other. i can understand that if they're in different groups, then you'd need a bow or something. but if you're standing right behind someone...?

the second part, i'm pretty darned sure they're all in one group, since i persuaded one to cast color spray on himself...and it hit everyone there, meaning they're in the same group. plus, i ordered the invisible ones to attack the visible one, so they're visible for sure...

Guardian · **Joined:** Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:19 pm **Posts:** 186

If they are in the same group first row can't attack second and second can't attack first if the do not have reach weapons.

josephusmaximus3 · **Joined:** Tue May 20, 2003 1:19 pm **Posts:** 1896

ALright, I can see where you think the third should be able to attack the man in front of him. But think of it from a mechanics perspective.

Take the deep-elves row - 3
take the giants row - 2

Can a third row char attack one in the second row? No. Try having a first row or second row with reach do it or two in the first.

In Pk its usually pretty easy to know who will be up front, use it to your advantage. If not... then you're not very well prepared.

Syndal · **Posted:** Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:23 am

They've pretty much covered it..Even if they are in the same group, the reach and all that works like they're not..Like first row can't hit the person behind them unless they can reach, and the person behind them can't hit the person in front of them unless they can reach..And third row, would need a bow, or to cast something to hit ANYONE in the group.

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