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 Post subject: Re: Racial weaknesses
PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:17 pm 
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I don't see anything wrong here. You picked centaur, which is trash, and has the fire weakness. You are going to get owned by fire. The alternative is absolutely preventing the cling, and then taking reduced damage, which is [REDACTED]. Magma spray was the worst damage spell in the game prior to the resist elements nerf, and I would not support having it made brewable again. In fact a lot of the items that exist in game now need removed. Warlocks can kill people now. This is a thing, and it should stay that way.

Centaur should probably get something to compensate for the weakness though. This is the worst race in the game. Giant is second worst, but at least they actually do damage with their size bonus.

Centaur perks do not compare to say elf/sprite/deep-elf perks. Resistance to blunt is just about useless in the PvP game. I mean I'm sure if you wanted to do nothing but own fisties, then centaur would be the way to go, but... Innate endurance is nothing to write home about. And kick, lawl. Resistance to cold might mean something if a warlock wasn't going to choose to burninate a centaur instead. But having a weakness is fine. Having easy sources to mitigate that weakness is dumb. It isn't a weakness then.

tl;dr If you didn't want to take massive damage from fire you shouldn't have picked centaur.


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 Post subject: Re: Racial weaknesses
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:26 am 
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I don't have a problem taking massive damage from fire, as I can compensate for that in every other circumstance. I do have a problem taking extra damage from magma spray, which is already so band-aided that it hardly qualifies as a spell anymore.

All I'm asking for is to remove the fire flag from magma -- it's one more hack that will help address a glaring inconsistency in damage.


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 Post subject: Re: Racial weaknesses
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:42 am 
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Why...? You don't like it cuz it does a lot of damage?

Warlocks are threatening now, like they should be. I'd rather see centaurs get a perk than the fire flag removed from magma spray, which is just wtf. Outside of gang banging a centaur there's not much use for magma spray. I flat out quit my warlock after going on a wastelands trip, and realizing that my best damage single target spell...most demons and [REDACTED] are immune to, so I was restricted to cone of cold and lightning bolt, because you know, the other spells hit the entire room. It's fine as is. Be lame, like me, and pick up a ranged spec when you age.


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 Post subject: Re: Racial weaknesses
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:53 am 
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Lightning bolt does more damage against NPCs than magma spray.


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 Post subject: Re: Racial weaknesses
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:57 am 
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Edoras wrote:
Lightning bolt does more damage against NPCs than magma spray.


Yeah, when the NPC is taking 0 damage from magma spray, of course lightning bolt does more.

Duh!


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 Post subject: Re: Racial weaknesses
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:10 am 
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Warlocks are kind of supposed to be the raw, heavy-damage, nuke casters of the game.


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 Post subject: Re: Racial weaknesses
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:31 am 
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Magma (sticky), Fireball or Lightning Bolt (I think FB is better in dmg but haven't done enough testing on that), magma


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 Post subject: Re: Racial weaknesses
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:59 pm 
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ninja_ardith wrote:
Edoras wrote:
Lightning bolt does more damage against NPCs than magma spray.


Yeah, when the NPC is taking 0 damage from magma spray, of course lightning bolt does more.

Duh!


In terms of raw damage, Lightning bolt does do more than magma until magma hits with the cling. After that, lightning bolt does do more damage than the non clings magma. It's part of what makes chain lightning so deadly since it's essentially a lightning bolt that hits roughly anywhere from 2-4 times.


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 Post subject: Re: Racial weaknesses
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:50 am 
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Too easy to get suspended.


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