Shattered Kingdoms

The barbarian would be alerted from his pet and/or others who follow him. If the rogue chooses to stay first row alone, it gets too risky for him. I can see it working only when spying for a short time. On the other hand, the barb doesn't see nor hear anything that the rogue can avoid. If a sleeping barbarian can sense a ghost coming, how skilled does a rogue have to be?

Alertness is one of the skills that is supposed to give barbs something unique, especially compared to mercs. Fury, track, alertness, counterstrike. You wimp a couple of these, directly or indirectly and there will be no reason to prefer a barb to a merc.

I'd like to see an enhanced sneak skill available only to rogues, but opening doors silently doesn't sound like great help. Like Jardek said, a rogue can easily live without it. Knowing when they sneak and when they don't could work.



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But it's not about feeling the loss of weight. It's about feeling that hand coming.

> steal yyy xxx
"XXX grabs your hand looking at you wickedly. There is an exit north and east!"

Rogues should have camo that works in cities only.

No, I don't see how enhanced sneaking really relates to stealth in the first place. I've no objection to seeing rogues get a new skill, but surely we can come up with something more interesting. Maybe a distraction skill of some kind.

Unless you're ethereal, you HAVE to open a door to walk into a closed room, which everyone inside will see, and know someone's coming. How exactly is this not related to sneaking?

I agree that both Rogues and hellions are fine.

But, a hellion is a master of being unheard when they want to. Heavy armor or not, they are by far the most stealthy class on the mud. They were designed this way.


I'm not debating this, I'm just relaying what the admin set down for us.

I think that rogues should basically have a camouflage skill for cities or densely crowded places. Anyone agree?

Camo for rogues is too overpowered.

And this enhanced sneak skill shouldn't be automatic and so easy to use if implemented. You should add a command like "esneak east", where to the east is the closed door. It will add lag to the rogue and drain quite some PE, similar to bash or something.

But generally I think rogues are fine. The got hamstring to buff them up a bit, which is a great skill. And never forget that rogues get scrolls. By far the best of the 3 device use skills.

I'd vote for this is you could only do it wearing full cloth.

Rogues do need a little something, but I don't think that enhanced sneaking is that.

Yeah, you do.