Cleave Weapon Changes

Teh_Peso · **Posted:** Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:28 pm

Coward.

Gremlin24 · **Posted:** Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:29 pm

Gilgon wrote:

I am confused as to why important PK-related changes are made without thinking about the consequences of these changes.

As much as realism might be important in certain ways, keep in mind that pole-axes are now the highest damage ranged cleaving subtype in the game due to your recent change.

You just increased the opening damage of a class significantly - maybe that was your intention, but it is certainly something to consider before making changes, despite them being 'common-sensical'. Do hellions need a boost in cleave damage?

You also may want to note that it's only slightly more accurate than a halberd, meaning you will be praying for a decent hit. That, and there aren't exactly a hoard of pole-axes. I understand your concern, but I don't think this is going to have a massive affect, or it at least won't be one that is unmanageable. If you see it as a problem, run tests, keep logs, and send them in for review.

Dulrik · **Posted:** Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:10 pm

Great axes could already cleave and they do more damage than a pole-axe. Still, if you feel the change is bad after testing it for awhile, feel free to bring the debate back here. It's just as easy to change back.

One Valiant Truth · **Joined:** Sun Jul 18, 2004 3:09 am **Posts:** 2174

He was pointing out they are the strongest REACHING subtype.

Duno if you noticed that, just pointing it out. That they reach, the big difference.

Teh_Peso · **Posted:** Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:07 am

If your hellion is elite enough, it won't matter if it reaches or not. If you can't hurl a greataxe and cleave a victim, then you aren't a real hellion! :evil:

Malhavoc · **Joined:** Sat Oct 01, 2005 11:32 pm **Posts:** 424

Gilgon wrote:

I am confused as to why important PK-related changes are made without thinking about the consequences of these changes.

As much as realism might be important in certain ways, keep in mind that pole-axes are now the highest damage ranged cleaving subtype in the game due to your recent change.

You just increased the opening damage of a class significantly - maybe that was your intention, but it is certainly something to consider before making changes, despite them being 'common-sensical'. Do hellions need a boost in cleave damage?

IMO hellions need a couple more changes to be up to par with what they are portrayed as. Pigstickers should never have been able to cleave with. And I don't see many hellions choosing this over a landy or polearm.

Peso: Yes they could. I tested it before posting.

Thanks for the feedback everyone else.

Achernar · **Posted:** Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:32 am

One Valiant Truth wrote:

He was pointing out they are the strongest REACHING subtype.

Duno if you noticed that, just pointing it out. That they reach, the big difference.

Yeah - its better than all polearms. I think that's the problem.

Gilgon · **Joined:** Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:18 pm **Posts:** 1704

Achernar wrote:

One Valiant Truth wrote:

He was pointing out they are the strongest REACHING subtype.

Duno if you noticed that, just pointing it out. That they reach, the big difference.

Yeah - its better than all polearms. I think that's the problem.

Yeap. It is the highest damage subtype for reaching cleaving weapons. That might sound like a lot of gibberish to some folks, but it is a significant change to others. Hellion opening damage cleaves for experienced players just went up noticeably.

I think that the results of these changes should be looked at before the change itself is made. Perhaps hellions need the boost in your opinion, that's your judgment to make - but I would stress looking at the consequences before you make a code change.

One Valiant Truth · **Joined:** Sun Jul 18, 2004 3:09 am **Posts:** 2174

I think the change is appropriate and good.

Syndal · **Posted:** Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:16 am

I want to be able to cleave with a scythe. I think they do like slicing damage or something, I can't really remember. I'm not even sure how good scythes are, I just want to be able to cleave with one. :cry:

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