Shattered Kingdoms

While that is true, what is also true is that their damage output is really damn high. Especially with cleave and polearms while standing behind somebody.

Note: To take out of context would be to only take a snippet of what you said. I quoted the entire thing.

Be thankful this isn't GD.

I hear what you're saying, and I'm going to let you finish, but from a design standpoint how would allowing a deep elf hellion control two dominates help balance the hellion class as a whole? If they are in need of help as you claim it should be a universal change or tweak, dominates don't approach the lethalness of a sorcerer or necromancer, yes, but that was never in question in the discussion.

You suggested two dominates for the benefit of one race, which I would disagree with completely because it would set them too far apart from the other races offered to the hellion, I am all in favor of diversity, but race differences should be more subtle for the sake of fairness. Want a bigger damage cleave? Centaur, Want to have a bigger hp pool? Dwarf. So forth. Two charmies is just too extreme.

Let it be said that I am also completly against sorcerers having two charmies with deep-elves, mind.

Deep-elves are already set aside from other hellion-capable races due to racial weaknesses.

For real: Deep-elves are already set aside in that they have high INT and sucky everything else compared to the other hellion races. In the end, however, since they can't dominate more than one NPC, there's close to no reason for that high INT. Letting them have two dominates would just give them the option of actually being a different playstyle of hellion, rather than just a crappier version of the same playstyle any other hellion race can utilize.

I love deep-elves, but they are complete trash for the hellion class. They don't benefit enough from having that high int. They take extra damage from bolt of glory, already have a lower hp pool because of their terrible con score, and hellions have a hard enough time allocating stat points, so it's tough for someone to want to put trains into hp. In fact most of my success in PvP with my own hellion was due to having beefy tribunal NPCs, and not on the merits of the class/race combo I had picked myself. You're far better off picking a race that has a higher racial str max, and just going melee. Deep-elves lose out on their innate bonus which is having a high natural int score, and honestly, this is not going to break the game.

While I agree with you 100% that Deep-Elves have vulnerabilities that outweigh the benefits in the hellion department, I have this image of the deep elf hellion in a specific organization walking around with 2 dominates, a pet, a guard NPC that may or may not be dominating another NPC, I don't think that's the answer to deep-elves we want.

Also, how is that fair to gnome mercenary, or deep-elf mercenary, or giant warlock, half elf sorcerer or any of the other race/class combinations that suffer from a weaker standing in relation to other race/class combinations? Balance is hard, but I don't think this is the way to achieve it. I would be more in favor of damage vulnerabilities like iron, blunt, light, etc having a halved effect for certain classes, those expected to be taking more damage than others since they are more likely to be in the thick of it.

My gnome merc rocked.

Don't talk to me about Pilnor, I put money down on him on the duel against Rorey favoring the cash-out benefits of the odd margin.

You owe me 1k obsidian.