Shattered Kingdoms

Make PCs immune to summon when auto-summon is on. Problem solved, everyone's enjoying a happy game. Whoever caster disagrees is only because he enjoys the power of summon-group gangs.

I'm a bit impaired right now, so I can't be absolutely positive you're joking - so I am just going to assume you aren't.

If a group of 9 were to ever be hunting solo me, I would find out if they were using a charmie in their group like Buruku, or atleast had a giant there, and I would run to a room with mad law NPCs that are aggressive to someone in that group. Then I'd type c 'summon', n.

Every kingdom has a place with a very large number of law NPCs that would completely rock a big group. It would be terrible easy to use/abuse.

Make it so you can't be summoned into an entangle, a midnight, a warp space, or a room with any law NPCs or with law NPCs nearby that can instantly walk in. Then maybe it seems like group-summoning would be balanced.

I am genuinely shocked that any player who has been around for more tha a month (Specifically Demon, Ardith) could possibly suggest group summoning as an option.

I'm not suggesting group summon. Like you, Algon, I think the idea is completely absurd.

The two second delay and 'surprise' of engaging a group is not -even remotely- the reason why group summon would make this mud unpkillable. But ok.

Group summons is a good idea. As people have said it could be bad if your travelling with someone weak against summons. There are two simple fixes I can see for it. An auto command Auto group summoning, or make group summoning a spell or effect you use on other group members.

I do not like the idea of summon being removed from the game completely. It makes sorcerors lives more practical. If it was to be removed Id like to see it replaced by Scry.

Summoning a group gives you two advantages: the advantage of timing and the advantage of terrain (law NPCs usually). Gateing to a target gives you the advantage of timing but them the advantage of terrain. It seems fair. Summoning a group is an ambiguous nerf to the spell since you get more enemies.

right now I can think of at least 3 places where if a group got summoned many would die. Just keep nerf summon and up gate.

Summon AND gate have the same success chance. But as Adder said, summon gives the advantage of terrain while gate gives a disadvantage.

And how hard is it to get a few basic willpower mods and avoid all summon attempts? I mean, if you are so afraid of summon, I'd like to see someone casting sleep/charm person/other-will-saved-spells on your char. That would open a whole new world for the phrase "wimp that spell".

PS: Group summon idea is stupid, and easily abused with more ways than people already mentioned here.

Hmmm . . .The fact that they don't always work. I remember getting summoned with having greatly increased mp on every part of my bard's mithril and still got summoned. No gate is much harder to land. Next to impossible if the target pc has auto summon on.

[edit] I meant to type MR

Kudos on having the wrong enchantment to deal with summon.