Shattered Kingdoms

Backstab has a lag on it, and circle stab is one attack a round and unless you're in front row, it's the only attack you're getting. Compared to the 3-5 of other classes.

The last thing needed is to add a cost the only attack they get most of the time. Which would make them even less valued compared to other classes.

Envenom doesn't really need a cost because to use it requires material components.

I actually had noticed that most rogue attacks have no cost. I'm not touching them for now, but reserve the right to perhaps add some once they get more abilities and are more highly valued.

I don't think I should be able to sit there and spam thirty plus applications of, and herb/ potion onto my weapon without some drawback.

Bash/ trip/ taunt/ disarm all have lag associated with theirs use and have a resource cost. It makes sense that such powerful attacks from a rogue would have a similar resource cost.

Let me add that I have noticed no fail message with envenom, there should be a fail chance like every other skill/ spell which means you may or may not end up poisoning yourself.

Streetwise should have a fail check that gives you false information about a target.

I really don't think a nerf spree is the answer here. Mercenaries are still better than scouts at ranged combat and streetwise doesn't change the fact that rogues still need other classes to assist them in pk. Why isn't anyone talking about skinning or snare? Nobody ever uses those skills.

In all the pk I have done in the last year, there has been very little of it that happens outside a city.

Skins have been useless since we lost supernatural hides, masterwork doesn't add enough bonus to make them on par with mithril that comes with innates. You need masterwork to be able to put five enchants on skins.

To make snare worthwhile you have to be in a certain cabal, it would be best to just break that cabal up and spread it's powers out.

And I did mention a finesse type skill for scouts some time ago.

How come haste doesnt reduce the lag of physical skills? Shouldnt it take less time to recover from a bash when hasted or bash more often when hasted? Or be able to kick more often, ect?

Dragonscale skin armor is actually really good. If you have access to someone casting magical vestment, it was already the most protective thing in the game. Now it's even better because light armor got a significant buff in the last update.

There is no fail message, but you can fail. If you fail, your weapon does not end up with any venom on it. There isn't any way to detect if you succeeded or failed, so it's similar to the (often reviled) lack of hide and sneak failure messages.


Adding applications only helps to a certain amount after which it is a waste of resources. Depending on your intelligence, it could be that adding a dozen doses will still help increase the strength, or maybe even that no amount of extra doses will increase it. At least you will always be increasing the duration of the poison before it evaporates, but once you stab a few times with it, it will get wiped clean despite the duration, so again there isn't a ton of benefit. The drawback to all of this is you wasting resources for little to no benefit.


I am pondering a number of potential tweaks to Streetwise, including this one.

I wouldn't mind revisiting snare sometime.

Haste has historically been far too good to consider buffing it even more.