Shattered Kingdoms

Remove the jail time penalty for any crime that doesn't involve a PC. Being in jail is about the worst possible thing that can happen to a player and it's too harsh a penalty for killing a NPC. I think it needs to be kept for some crimes to help protect players from each other but I'm not even sure if anything short of high murder should get it.

As for banishment, if it's a tool intended to be used to keep serious criminals out of the kingdom then it should only be available when the person has a serious list of crimes. Not one or two crimes, but the number that you'd accumulate from raiding a city, say around ten to twelve, no lower than five. If it's someone that just occasionally causes trouble then they can serve their sentences as they go along and never gather enough offenses to risk a banishment. If the tribunal really doesn't want him around they can personally chase him out of the city so they can keep the peace but he won't have a large section of the game cut off from him for life.

conspiracy against the crown or treason isn't a hard coded crime in the game.

If you get banished then you should expect to remain banished for the rest of your characters natural life. That is what banishment *is*.

Everybody just wants a slap on the wrist for plotting the end of the world, or being a serial murderer, etc. so on and so forth. It's a ridiculous notion. If people are going to have to deal with your "roleplay", then you're going to have to deal with other people's roleplay. It's not a one-way street. Until you get banished, that is.

If you don't want to deal with the law, then don't give them reason to be after you.

And this is the kind of idiot that Muktar and friends are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5cZ0-8DKUI

Don't get me wrong, I am strongly against tribunal members attacking people to get them outlawed - that, to me, seems like an exploit that should be punished. But I think it happens on a rare enough basis that it can be handled case by case, with logs supporting the claim.

Otherwise, I think the banishment/law system is fine. Banishment has no requirements because one leader might be leniant, but when a leadership change comes about, the new powers might be strict.

It is what allows us to RP as political figures.

Here is my problem:

Lets say someone has 50 crimes against them. They get caught numerous times, but since its 50 days (thats what, 50 times how many minutes in an SK day? 24 minutes? Do the math) and thats how long they are unable to play this game because of this. Very, very, very few people are willing to do more than 15 days. After that, its just useless. The fun in the game is killed. So what do they do? They get broken out, but alas, all that time they spent in jail is fruitless and they still have 50 days to deal with.

Now, I don't care if you don't lift banishments. I don't care if tribunal members are still outlawing people left and right because they don't like them. What I do care about is that you spend time in jail, say, ten of those 50, but you get broken out (because no one is going to sit there ONLINE for that long), you still have to re-make those 50. If anything, I am all for serving time for crimes and the slow dwindling of those crimes as you go through jail. That way people like Slayne can work off his 150+ days worth of crimes.

That, or allow tribunal leaders to delete lines of crimes individually. As it is right now, they are given -full pardons- or none at all. I have heard about the parole thing, but I've never seen it (except when it was first instituted) so I won't comment on it. I've never personally witnessed a current tribunal leader offering it (to myself or any one else).

Banishment shouldn't be needed to roleplay a political figure. If you want to be more strict or lenient give orders to your men to kill certain trouble makers on sight or tell them that they should just ask a person to leave or keep an eye on them. PCs dealing with PCs generates a hell of a lot more RP than just handing the duty off to randomly spawning NPCs. Banishment allows you to NOT have to interact with someone while at the same time cutting that person off from sections of the game. It should be reserved for characters that are severely detrimental to a kingdom.

You don't get offered parole when you keep breaking the law. Parole is for good criminals, not unrepentant ones.

Cyra, this is gameplay so stop flaming. Second, this wouldn't be even talked about if people like yourself wasn't trigger happy with the banishment button. Also, they wouldn't get banished so much if you didn't get them banished because you didn't like them in your town. So, you would taunt them, report them, and then banish them. If you think that being banished means the rest of their lives, what fantasy world do you live in? Most cultures that have banishment have some sort of way to repay for their mistakes so that the banishment is removed. All, I said the change needs to happen is that one cannot be reported for defending themselves against a trib member. One cannot be banished for petty theft or mugging. And if you want to play your char to never allow people to become unbanished. So be it. One should actually have a justified reason to be banished though. Not just because the trib leader has a stick up their . . .

Muktar, you seem to misunderstand. I am not trigger happy with banishment.

I seem to recall looking at the outlaw list one day and seeing your character having a list of crimes that spanned several pages. When I asked him if he was repentant about them he went on and on about how he was totally into chaos and anarchy.

Long story short, you talked yourself into a banishment.

I'll dig up the logs if you want to keep running your mouth.

In my case, I've gotten a banishment for attempted murder (not even murder!) of ONE pc, when that pc was the one who started trouble FIRST. I was banished before serving the sentence, and I DID serve the sentence (which was exactly ONE day in jail). My character is not known for any plots, or prior engagements. This is why I feel justified in supporting something like this.

I am not talking about Acirin. He deserved to be banished. I know that. Stop trying to bring him up to support your argument. Acirin was probably on your top 3 worst criminals when he was around. I think Inzy and Him were vieing to be number 1 criminal. I have though seen with other chars where you would attack them, report them, and then banish them. Just because they were people you didn't want in town.