Shattered Kingdoms

Are people now saying that cleaving from hiding is bad RP too? Wow.

Let's just take cleave away from hellions because obviously it's overpowered and of course, no hellion ever considered the assertation of power honorable. Becuase obviously hellions are supposed to be honorable in a sane way. That's why they're LIGHTIES. Nothing malicious about them, total teddy bears for Paladins to own with bolt of glory.

It's only a matter of time before scouts lose camo and ambush too! Because obviously it's unfair that we get the best hiding skill in the game, wimped by the fact that we can only use it in the wilderness.

And then the illuminator is bad rp because it is a greatsword that only a paladin can use to make himself invisible and invisibility for a paladin is dishonorable. Dulrik couldn't have created that, Oh noes.

And perhaps we should also remove the ability for bards to pick locks since they can be principled and rogues who steal and do some of the same things can't be.

And priests, that harm spell hurts, why don't other classes get this awesome spell. Isn't it bad RP for a light aura'd healer to be able to use a spell that's the pinacle of the cause light/serious/critical series.

And of course, let's not forget rogues using scrolls. Isn't it terrible that an otherwise unmagical class can use these magical tools.

And of course warlocks who are magical can't gate or rift like anyone else, and what's with magma spray being the best spell in the game, let's make everyone even?

And maybe we should just limit everyone's ability to create their own unique rp until everyone stops playing SK. Because every single person in reality are so alike. Isn't that what makes life fun? Gosh, know one you know them all. I just want to meet everyone in sk!

And maybe we should make every fighting class perfect this way so that there can be overpowered classes that everyone will play so it's no fun to play anything but.

Great idea guys, you're awsomely smart.

Nah... it's just the class has some vague class-specific RP strictures so people find license to whine about everything they do.

There are many different types of hellions. There are the really sinister, somewhat dishonorable ones. There are the really by-the-book, no deception honorable badasses. Both examples are acceptable, and both have certain consequences. Obviously it's harder to be the more honorable one, but that's the whole point of honor. And obviously being really borderline dishonorable has consequences in terms of your reputation, or should. It's just that instead of slandering people IC like they should in good old fashioned RP, they come here and whine.

And nobody gives a crap about hide cleaves. That's just slightly shadier than cleaving from second row, which all sane hellions do. You probably are walking into the room with two visible NPCs anyway (horse and dominate). You also could have effectively issued a challenge via tells. IMO that makes it perfectly honorable... for a hellion.

Well, clearly this thread has lasted 5 pages because of course, Hellions should lose every dishonorable spell and everything else that is dishonorable. And be played as a totally fixed character.

Like the ability to cause wounds! Shouldn't they be strong enough to do it without that? Where's the honor there?

Isn't it unfair to weaken or poison your sword to strike an opponent? Seriously, a hellion should be honorable and fight their opponent at full strength. How's that honorable?

It's so unfair they can blind an opponent with a spell because they should be strong enough to kill a foe that can see. How's that honorable?

How come hellions can cleave from second row? Shouldn't the be strong enough to fight honorably, up front, and take hits from everyone else? Such a dishonorable thing.

And don't even get me started on dominate. They don't need any help because with their honor, they can own everyone.

And obviously rift should be gone. Paladins don't get rift, and warlocks don't. Why should they? So unfair.

Oh, wait, what about necromancers! Let's get on the necromancer thread now too!

Necromancers can raise 20 wraiths, I mean, the fact that everyone wants to kill them and a holy word can kill them instantly is not justification for immense protection?

And diabolic auras? I mean, they have to total psychopaths that kill everyone, no intricate rp allowed. But of course, they're not allowed to kill too many players because the players should always be safe and cosy in their homes. No one to PK them.

Or else RP is lost because the necros are all pk crazy.

Necromancers just have to lose too. Because good should always triumph over evil. Of course.

And of course, evil has to make sense, because murdering people is totally logical, duh.

We're so cool.

Allllright.... time to calm down...

I'm chipper as can be! You're just all so smart!

Call me suspicious, but I think he's being sarcastic.

Necros really are overpowered. Not everyone tries to kill them- there are necros that even the Hammer aren't stomping right now. And saying that holy word can take a chunk out of an undead army ignores two things. Firstly, all that is is a chunk. Secondly, that just a big blinking 'You chose the wrong class and lost SK' message to anyone who does not have access to the spell.

But, I agree with the general conceit of your post.

http://www.shatteredkingdoms.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17349&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=cleav%2A+hid%2A&start=20

Dulrik's words therein

Hellions will never be more honorable until they're given more stomping power. Hellions don't win unless they get the drop on an enemy.

Oh!!! It came down to that ancient Pallie vs Hellion thingy again?