Shattered Kingdoms

I think a lot of the problems with emnity is that people expect to WITNESS the emnity happening. As Zellidon said, I'm sure that the "using" aspect is perfectly fine. But since people seem to want to see an elf and a delf to kill each other instead.... they gripe a lot because they don't think anything is happening when something very well may be.

I want to make it very clear that it isn't my opinion at all that enmity needs to end in death.

My feeling is that I've seen very little emnity as in hatred. I can certainly see certain characters refraining from violence, but each race should have strong negative emotions about the other.



Why would an elf see a deep-elf as a person, rather than an abomination like the undead?

Granted, different elves/deep-elves should have different ways of intellectualizing their emnity. It's also true that religion can overrule strong feelings in the right character, although such major internal conflict should have visible results. But emnity is more than not being friendly, even for pacifist-style players. PK isn't required, but real character conflict is.

My guess would be the other deep-elf wasn't miscreant, but was probably diabolic. I don't see it wrong to try to manipulate an elf to get something you want, but I do see something wrong with the elf allowing himself to be manipulated by a deep-elf.

Like it or not, an elf should never and under any circumstances ressurect a deep-elf. Also, criticism is not for making you delete, criticism is there to help you IMPROVE your RP, not quit it. Now, if anyone wants to be a precious snowflake and think that the entire tradition of enmity should just be neglected just because this will make them sad puppies and delete, they should better just do so, imho.

What if he doesn't know the deep-elf and the deep-elf lies?

HUH???

Ealuriel's kill count on elf PCs is probably still in single digits. It's a lot more fun to RP enmity through various things, like messing with their minds/etc.

Did I miss where someone said that deep-elves need to kill elves or vice versa in order to follow the spirit of enmity? I'm not being snarky, I have the tendency to miss points in threads like these, so if someone said that could someone quote it for me so I can read it in the context of their post?

If not: why does everyone keep bringing up death?

I don't know, but I got the pretty distinct impression from this thread that apparently the "proper" way to "RP" enmity is to ZOMG KILL KILL KILL or to ZOMG AN ELF/DELF, I CAN'T STAY HERE.

People just need to stfu. I still remember a few years ago, I think it was Veydara I was playing? (Deep-elf sorc, Adept, Sadal faith.) Somebody made a whole QQ thread because I went on a trip with an elf that was also in the same faith. But, what only a handful of people were aware of is that Veydara had pretty much enslaved said elf.

The analogy of green beans implies that: Any time you see a deep-elf you should respond as if that particular deep-elf killed your entire family.

How else are you going to respond to that, except by fleeing their presence in every situation, closing your mind to them every time they try to speak to you, or killing them?

If there's only one flavour of enmity, and it's always the most virulent, as is implied and outright stated in this thread, then there can BE no interaction between elf and deep-elf other than one ending in death.

The comment about needing to "witness" the enmity is also a valid point. Other people don't often see roleplay that is confined to tells. It's much easier to applaud someone for killing a deep-elf than to consider a much longer term roleplay that is not so blatantly obvious.

In a world where there are thoughtful and rational minotaurs, well-spoken and intellectual giants, and half-elves accepted in both elven and human society, I think it's a little strange to single out elves and deep-elves as creatures who have no ability to rise above their own natures, even temporarily, even over something as important and basic as religion. I accept that this is the case, however.