Shattered Kingdoms

So, gateable room, gateable object, spelling is correct, spell is mastered, I was in an area I could gate from, and it fails. Can't give you an exact percentage on it happening though, but it does. And the only spell I was holding besides that was spirit sight.

I think distance is supposed to be a factor with gate. Even with the spell mastered and going to the stones, you can still fail it, with the chance being greater if you're far away from the target.

I'd be more interested to see something like detect invis failing when mastered. This doesn't settle the issue for me.

I've never failed a gate to stones unless I was in a no-gate room though. The spell probably just failed.

I was in Uxmal when I failed the gate yesterday. I've managed to land them from much further away as well as fail them. I've failed them one room away from someone too, same level with no equipment on the target. I'd have to scour my logs for it though.

For these 'fails' though are you seeing the mana cost of a fail or of a successful cast? From my experience once gate is mastered it will still occasionally fail to easy target, but its not the casting that failed, which is notable from the mana cost.

End all Be all: Mastered spells CAN and WILL fail. It's rare for it to happen (not so rare with bards as even with C Maj mastered it can still fail repeatedly on a target, and yes it does take the fizzled mana amount.) I also failed mastered spells with Ixy every now and again. It can, and eventually, will happen. It's just really rare.

I disagree and have yet to see evidence to the contrary.

Failed gates are not necessarily (and are probably not) failure to cast the spell. I would almost guarantee that, as Neo said, you'd have used the full mana amount for a "successful" cast in these instances of failure.

Next time my bard fails a song, i'll log it and show you. Songs are no different than spells, at least C major and F aren't due to the fact that they're essentially direct damage, spells they act the same as acid blast or magic missile.

Here it is with the mana cost and next action taken after:

Yea, unless you've an incredibly small mana pool that looks like a full cost cast, which means the cast isn't the part that's failing.

As for the bard songs and chords I really don't know if those are viewed the exact same way and really weren't relevant to the thread.