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 Post subject: Re: Etherealform and spells
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:32 pm 
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I don't think Edoras is crying. I think he's calling you a self-aggrandizing limp-wrist.


Oh noes!! Edoras has his brother white knighting for him. You two are hilarious. And, yeah, this thread is a massive QQ fest.


Should just let them cry and theorycraft the worst possible case scenarios as naturally such scenarios always occur!


Yeah, you're right, Chem. Just noticed this gem from Patrisaurus back on page two as well:

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We have really gone off the deep-end if fist sorcerer is being complained about as overpowering.


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 Post subject: Re: Etherealform and spells
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:09 pm 
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I'm not complaining that he's overpowering. I'm complaining that MR sorc is just obscenely frustrating now with the huge buffs to MR.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:25 pm 
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FinneyOwnzU wrote:
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Should just let them cry and theorycraft the worst possible case scenarios as naturally such scenarios always occur!


Yeah, you're right, Chem.
This is the part that drives me crazy. I'm not theorycrafting. You are.

Wudan is actively walking around ethereal / invis in "enemy territory" and summoning people into large groups of NPCs while attempting to dispel their buffs, and the common consensus (though unprovable) is that he's the one on the reporting streak. And there's not a thing anyone can do about it, because he's in a complete MR suit. That means he's:

a) immune to dispel,
b) immune to all other cast spells (in case another sorc / priest decided to give chase),
c) immune to any form of magical weaponry(!),
d) immune to voodoo(!!).

The -only- way to actually fight said player now is with your hypothetical adventurer that can whip out an etherealform scroll and the necessary buffs to beat a fist 1v1 in the ethereal plane (and that's assuming that he doesn't decide to just sleep / dispel you back out). But we've seen Wudan. We haven't seen a single one of these theorycrafted rogues.

Right now -- and I know there are fixes on the way -- MR is ridiculously overpowering. Coupled with sorcs no longer being fatigued by self-cast haste / giant strength and the fact that this particular sorc can achieve six very strong attacks per round with a decent defensive stance, and you're looking at an impossibly difficult character build to counter. I agree with patrisaurus because he's right, whether he intended to be tongue in cheek or not -- we have gone off the deep end.


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 Post subject: Re: Etherealform and spells
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:35 pm 
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a) immune to dispel,
b) immune to all other cast spells (in case another sorc / priest decided to give chase),
c) immune to any form of magical weaponry(!),
d) immune to voodoo(!!).


He is not immune to "all other casts" - magma spray will still affect him, since it ignores both MR and MP. And despite all the hand wringing and theory crafting, he is still vulnerable to both bards and rogues.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:36 pm 
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This is the part that drives me crazy. I'm not theorycrafting. You are.


Really? seems you're the one shooting all the theories and scenarios, I haven't offered a single one nor intend to.


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My point is that it's not theorycrafting and "scenario shooting" when it's actually happening.

But I see your point, Finney. Rogues, bards, and warlocks all have a small chance of winning.


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 Post subject: Re: Etherealform and spells
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:11 pm 
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Nightwing wrote:
My point is that it's not theorycrafting and "scenario shooting" when it's actually happening.

But I see your point, Finney. Rogues, bards, and warlocks all have a small chance of winning.


I don't disagree he has a lot of defense with mirror image, etherealform and his cabal. But at what cost? He is basically a dispel magic bot, which seems like a really ineffective and boring play style given the sorcerer skill set.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:18 pm 
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I bet he could solo 9 ethereal wraiths too! :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:30 am 
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I bet he could solo 9 ethereal warlocks too! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Etherealform and spells
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:08 am 
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Nightwing wrote:
c) immune to any form of magical weaponry(!),

This has already been fixed to only apply to trained MR (as originally claimed). I just hadn't announced it yet.


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