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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:11 pm 
I'd say about 80% of people who have just been PKed feel wronged. I AFK-killed Asraya a few months ago. I would never have believed, ever, that it was against the rules.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:14 pm 
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I assume you were the one AFK in that scenario? :D


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:16 pm 
You assume wrong.

Poor Asraya, I cannot believe he was dumb enough to think that nobody would know that he spent all his spare time sitting AFK in that tree.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:23 pm 
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I completely agree that there are often more factors involved than what the pk-ee sees. I also belive that the rules state that your intended victim need to be aware that they are in danger. So, basically, as I said in my previous post, you're putting yourself at risk of being punished when you initiate playerkilling without inititiating RP with the victim before hand. Assassinations could very well be against the rules, but in the end it all comes back to how its handled by the one doing the assassination and how the one being assassinated sees the effort. If I don't get a log about it, I'll assume the kill was of satisfactory quality. If I get a log, its likely I'll end up having a chat with the person who initiated playerkilling without roleplay. I've done so quite recently and did not need to penalize anyone. I did so last week and instead of penalizing the one who initiated an attack without prior role play, I watched it play out and rewarded the one that was attacked. There's not really a chance to mark a line in the sand and say after this point you will be punished. I can outline the bare minimum that is expected and warn that doing less is likely to end up unfavorably.


I had a log of the entire events that took place if you ever want to see what caused me to bring up the who list topic to begin with, not that it matters much now since he deleted, but so you can see my problem with what happened.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:35 pm 
Additionally, reading that golden rule doesn't specify who you should RP with. Maybe I RP with my friend jackbob and say "Haha, I'm totally going to kill Asraya". Satisfaction guaranteed.


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I don't find anyone agreeing with what Achernar is proposing here. I also don't think that it is or should be a rule that a gonna-be-victim needs to be "warned" in any way. OOC motivated kills or loot-hunting kills (especially by alignments that would not support such in their RP), yes, I am against, but that is one thing and turning a fantasy-based RPG into kindergarten is another.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:31 pm 
Even Achernar is saying he doesn't enforce it.

Look, I hate to call a spade a spade, but if that part of the rule is so completely ridiculous that no players think it's sensible and even imms hesitate about punishing for it, why not remove it? The golden rule is better as a vague policy statement than as a concrete rule anyway.


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Jardek wrote:
Additionally, reading that golden rule doesn't specify who you should RP with. Maybe I RP with my friend jackbob and say "Haha, I'm totally going to kill Asraya". Satisfaction guaranteed.


For people who think this way (not saying that is the way you think Jardek).


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:41 pm 
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There should be RP involved in PKs, but you shouldn't have to tell someone IC or OOCly that you are coming for them. If people did that all the hoarders would simply log off.

My case was differant for I had only greeted one guy in Ains faith at the time, and I tend to keep to myself at lower levels. The only way he could have possibly found out who I was, and my affiliation was through the who list. Thus the whole reason for this topic.

Not to forget to mention that after he failed to kill me he logged off asap in order to avoid any retaliation. I guess it doesn't really matter anymore since he deleted to.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:48 pm 
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I don't think that highlighted part of the golden rule even implies what Achernar tries to translate it as.


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