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Persuade (Moral delimma)
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Author:  zelenik [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:53 am ]
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Well assuming that your character is a pacifist or unwilling to fight others of like aura, then does that mean that persuade should not be used. I feel that a light aura bard should be able to persuade another light aura for a benefit, w/o having to be concerned about having to kill them when the bard fails. Please discuss and I'd like to know the imm thoughts on this.
Author:  Kin [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:55 am ]
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I personally don't understand why persuade is hostile to begin with. Bards are pretty frail when not in a group and persuade has strict limitations on it's use. In my opinion, it shouldn't be a hostile action until the third or fourth repeated attempt, that is if it's possible to code that.

I can see a person getting upset and attacking someone if they keep pestering them to do something, but on the first attempt? No.
Author:  Edoras [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:57 am ]
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It's essentially charm person, forcing someone to do something regardless of their will. It makes sense that it's aggressive.
Author:  laeZ1 [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:11 am ]
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Edoras wrote:
It's essentially charm person, forcing someone to do something regardless of their will. It makes sense that it's aggressive.

I see it more as *persuading* somone to do something.
Imagine, if you will, this scenario:

Quote:
"Mommy, please buy me that toy"

<100%><100%><100%>

A rich mother's scorpian hilted scimitar does UNSPEAKABLE THINGS to you.
A rich mother misses you.
Your punch misses a rich mother.
A rich mother starts to concentrate.

<30%><100%><98%>

A rich mother utters the words 'petrify'.
YOU HAVE BEEN KILLED
<0%><100%><98%>


I guess the NPCs are just bad at RP if they get that pissed that easily.
Author:  Edoras [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:19 am ]
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Don't confuse the skill "persuade" with a polite request due to its name. It's a magical mind-affecting supernatural talent that only a powerful bard can do, that can make you do things you wouldn't necessarily do. It's very much like charm person, except very short-term: It's essentially hypnotizing on crack.

Using your previous example, persuade is more like this:

"Dear, you should really throw that scimitar at our little girl."

Put in that light, it might make more sense as to why someone might respond in a hostile way if they realize what's going on (Read: if the persuade fails).
Author:  ObjectivistActivist [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:48 am ]
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Edoras wrote:

Using your previous example, persuade is more like this:

"Dear, you should really throw that scimitar at our little girl."


Nah. If you tried to do this, you'd get a "you can't persuade them to part with their belongings" message, since you can't use persuade to make anyone drop/give an item.
Author:  Edoras [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:04 pm ]
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What about throw, though?
Author:  ObjectivistActivist [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:06 pm ]
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I'm going to bet, more or less in drunken randomness, no, because then an item would leave their posession.
Author:  Aneira [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:07 pm ]
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I imagine persuade to be like a "Jedi mind trick". You may not notice it and you may think you're doing what you wanted to do anyway (and it may not be a malicious request), but if you do realize it you'd be pissed off that this person was trying to use their powers to manipulate you.
Author:  Dexity [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:13 pm ]
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I do hate how when someone goes to persuade now its like XXX persuades YYY lick ZZZ, it truely makes the skill far less attractive! wheres the fun in that?
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