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 Post subject: Polymorph
PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:27 pm 
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Can polymorph please be changed so that it allows you to polymorph into your own race but with a new adjective?

Right now it gives the "you are already in that form" message. I don't think there is any sort of mechanical advantage to taking on the shape of your original race but there are plenty of RP reasons as to why a sorcerer might want to appear to look like a different member of his or her own race.


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 Post subject: Re: Polymorph
PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:29 pm 
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Polymorph twice.


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 Post subject: Re: Polymorph
PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:31 pm 
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Oooooo.... I'll have to try that.


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 Post subject: Re: Polymorph
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:20 am 
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I've just always assumed you can't do this because it'd basically be like giving sorc's the disguise skill too.

Pretty sure polymorphing twice doesn't work either. Been a while since I really used polymorph though.


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 Post subject: Re: Polymorph
PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:07 pm 
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WickedWitch wrote:
I've just always assumed you can't do this because it'd basically be like giving sorc's the disguise skill too.

Pretty sure polymorphing twice doesn't work either. Been a while since I really used polymorph though.


I've been thinking about this and... Isn't this why sorcs have polymorph?

The combat implications are limited because polymorph doesn't give you increased stats or skills. You're still going to get torn apart in melee. In fact, the only time I've ever seen polymorph used was for RP or as a disguise.

If anything, polymorph should work better than disguise because physically changing your appearance or even your race (or gender!) is a whole lot more effective than just applying some makeup. The downside being that you have to hold the spell and it can be dispelled.


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 Post subject: Re: Polymorph
PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:35 pm 
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OldeSword wrote:
The combat implications are limited because polymorph doesn't give you increased stats or skills.

Uh...it does change your maxes though. If you're a human and you poly into a deep-elf, your max int is now 25. You have all the max stats as the race you poly into, but you need mods to achieve those stats. Also, you get innate sneak as a deep-elf. Here's the fun part. You get all the weaknesses of the race as well. Get hit with a BOG as your are poly'd as a deep elf and you'll cry like a baby. Poly into a giant and you have innate bash, enhanced damage, and boulder. Polying into a giant isn't ideal for combat at all, as you're still a sorc, but I was just explaining it all to you.


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 Post subject: Re: Polymorph
PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:56 pm 
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It'll also help in certain circumstances, especially in a certain cabal that like to punch things.

Polymorphing into fire/air elementals and gaining immunity to low level weapons and energy hides.
Dragons for innate reach attacks etc.

As well as what jeremy said. Theres alot of circumstances in game where it can prove somewhat useful RP, PvE and PvP.
I'd usually recommend using scrolls instead of using up the concentration however.

It'll never be an awesome spell with heaps of benefits. But I like how it is.


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 Post subject: Re: Polymorph
PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:59 pm 
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I agree that polymorph is lacking. There is so much you could do with polymorph you could have to turn it into another class. Like in dragon form. I think that people should get dragonscale hide, multiple attacks, a breath weapon, a crushing attack, a tail attack, flight. I'm sure they get some of that but not all.

The problem with polymorph is this. If it were done right sorcs, a class that is already very very very powerful, would gain another substantial increase in power. There are so many forms you can take. In the olden days we used to polymorph into old ones and sorcs could level by killing fystrysks under morea, which is not something I recommend now.

But if all the forms were more accuracte with their powers and abilities I think polymorph would be way way to powerful. For game balance reasons you get what you get, and what you get is still pretty good. :) I won't argue though that it could be improved on.


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 Post subject: Re: Polymorph
PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:52 pm 
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Polymorphing to dragon should totally give you a breath attack.


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 Post subject: Re: Polymorph
PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:00 pm 
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I wasn't asking for new powers or anything though your examples have been illuminating.

Just the ability to polymorph into your original race but with a changed adjective. I don't see how that would have a mechanical benefit but it is an arbitrary restriction that hinders RP.

Also, I tried polymorphing twice:

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You utter the words, 'sarlzaksp'.
You return to your normal form.

You are already in that form.


No dice :/


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