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 Post subject: Ironguard
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:04 pm 
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This spell still needs wimped. Anything that goes up to 100% protection is [REDACTED] broken. Actually surprised this spell even goes over the 1/3 mark.

Rawr wrote:
You spot your target to the south!
You fire a desert-camouflaged crossbow to the south!
A crimson-eyed female human's stony skin deflects your attack.
You load your weapon with an iron round bolt.
You fire a desert-camouflaged crossbow to the south!
Your attack passes partially through a crimson-eyed female human.
You pierce at a crimson-eyed female human's stomach, barely wounding her.
You load your weapon with an iron round bolt.
You fire desert-camouflaged crossbow to the south!
Your attack passes right through a crimson-eyed female human.
A crimson-eyed female human is unaffected by your pierce!
You load your weapon with an iron round bolt.
You fire a desert-camouflaged crossbow to the south!
You miss a crimson-eyed female human.
An iron round bolt sails far into the distance.
You load your weapon with an iron round bolt.
You fire a desert-camouflaged crossbow to the south!
Your attack passes right through a crimson-eyed female human.
A crimson-eyed female human is unaffected by your pierce!
You load your weapon with an iron round bolt.


loltank through city wrote:
Life 98 Mana 82 Move 92

A legionnaire captain walks in from the north.
You dodge a legionnaire captain's attack.
Your ancestral spirits rain curses upon a legionnaire captain as he charges you.
A legionnaire captain's attack passes partially through you.
A legionnaire captain crushes your stomach, barely wounding you.
Your ancestral spirits rain curses upon a legionnaire captain as he charges you.
A legionnaire captain's attack passes partially through you.
A legionnaire captain crushes your right finger, bruising you slightly.

Life 98 Mana 82 Move 92

You cleave at a legionnaire captain's right wrist, causing a big gash.
You cleave at a legionnaire captain's right arm, cutting a painful wound across
it!
You cleave a legionnaire captain's chest, cutting a small but painful, wound.
Tari cleaves at a legionnaire captain's chest, causing a deep gash.
Baltus starts to concentrate.
A legionnaire captain stops using an iron hammer.
You dodge a legionnaire captain's attack.
Your ancestral spirits rain curses upon a legionnaire captain as he charges you.
A legionnaire captain punches at your chest, barely wounding you.
Overall, a legionnaire captain has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

Life 98 Mana 82 Move 91


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 Post subject: Re: Ironguard
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:12 pm 
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lolwhat?

..Try using one of the millions of things that isn't even affected by IG maybe?

QQ more.

Also, it doesn't "go to 100%". Both of these snippets just involved very low damage output and other factors like protection/heavy armor. An elf with IG is still going to get murdered by a cold-iron greatsword.


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 Post subject: Re: Ironguard
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:17 pm 
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WickedWitch wrote:
lolwhat?

..Try using one of the millions of things that isn't even affected by IG maybe?

QQ more.

Also, it doesn't "go to 100%". Both of these snippets just involved very low damage output and other factors like protection/heavy armor. An elf with IG is still going to get murdered by a cold-iron greatsword.


I have a lot more experience with this than you, no that elf is not going to get murdered by a cold-iron greatsword. Do you not see the guard in that log remove his iron hammer? That is because the game calculated that he would do more damage with brawling than with his hammer. Without ironguard those guys rape my elf mercenary. With it, they are laughable. And yes, at Grand Master, ironguard provides 100% protection from iron-based weaponry. I used a level 45 vial there.

There are many reasons to wimp this spell, and I'm willing to bet you just don't have enough experience with trampling through a city protected by ironguard to realize that it is indeed overpowering.


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 Post subject: Re: Ironguard
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:24 pm 
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Many reasons? lolright

stop qqing and get a different material bolt

hilarious you never brought this up until all your enemies started having IG


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 Post subject: Re: Ironguard
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:29 pm 
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WickedWitch wrote:
Many reasons? lolright

stop qqing and get a different material bolt

hilarious you never brought this up until all your enemies started having IG


Might be hilarious to you, but I've been meaning to post about this for a while. I don't always get around to stuff when I get a bug up my [REDACTED] about it though. I've been mostly playing elves, and deep-elves, and have a fair good knowledge of what I'm talking about.

Also posting to confirm that you are using both brain cells you were "gifted" with. This is completely illogical, but why would you be against something that would actually weaken my character, a fair bit, I might add. I suppose you believe that wooden bolts are going to do way more damage than iron bolts, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Having used ranged combat on my characters I guarantee you that the iron bolts *still* do more damage against iron weak races than wooden ones.

Surrit was using ironguard *way* before you [REDACTED] clowns.


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 Post subject: Re: Ironguard
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:33 pm 
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...why wouldn't you get diamond bolts

also, there is a log YOU posted of cazaril with IG up getting merk'd and you even titled it "cazaril find IG ineffective"

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 Post subject: Re: Ironguard
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:39 pm 
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There is no difference between iron, wood, and diamond. They all do the same damage, the only difference is between the brittleness and hardness of the materials. A diamond bolt does no more damage than an iron bolt. The only thing that comes into play is if your race is *weak* to one of those materials. A lot of races are weak to iron, and having shot Surrit with diamond bolts, and iron bolts during the time he was running around with energy armor, I can tell you that he got deflects off of the diamond ones. The iron ones still did more damage to him. I see absolutely no valid reason why anybody would pick diamond over iron.

This is all a joke though, ranged combat in the hands of a medium sized race does not actually do that much damage. Anybody that gets a panties in a knot thinking that I think that this would somehow give me an advantage against heavy armor wearing iron weak races is a god damn lunatic.

It's even worse against melee damage as any iron based melee weapon can be completely negated through the use of ironguard. Any character can literally solo through a city with ironguard because the guards will be unable to hurt him/her.

Also, not my fault Cazaril used [REDACTED] low level ironguard. Anybody with more than two brain cells would think to kill war parties for their elite level 45 vials. Basically he got what he paid for. Surprise me next with you posting a log of a naked deep-elf tanking a cold iron greatsword with a level 20 vial of ironguard.


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 Post subject: Re: Ironguard
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:43 pm 
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So, you are qqing about the fact that..despite another player putting in the prep to get ironguard brewed, they still take more damage from iron bolts than diamond...and IG needs to be weakened.

I don't even understand where this conversation is going aside from "qq my iron bolts no work".

You're definitely trying to put that dog in a sweater, though.


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 Post subject: Re: Ironguard
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:46 pm 
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Why are you still pretending that the damage from ranged combat is super threatening? Yes, he was taking more damage, but I would imagine only slightly more. I shouldn't expect you to make a logical argument though.


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 Post subject: Re: Ironguard
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:47 pm 
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Yes..and he had a buff to reduce his racial weakness. And still took more damage from iron than diamond. And you're saying IG needs to be wimped.

Are you drunk or something?


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