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 Post subject: MR barbarians immune to counterstrike
PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:20 pm 
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You yell 'Guards! A resplendent male griffon is trying to murder me!'
You counter a resplendent male griffon's attack!
A resplendent male griffon is unaffected by your counterstrike!


Magical resistance is such a terrible idea.


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 Post subject: Re: MR barbarians immune to counterstrike
PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:02 am 
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Reading your recent posts makes me upset I did not stick with the MRbarb I had planned on using when I came back :cry:


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 Post subject: Re: MR barbarians immune to counterstrike
PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:38 am 
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What kind of weapon were you using? There could be other factors involved, as well.


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 Post subject: Re: MR barbarians immune to counterstrike
PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:06 am 
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Opey wrote:
What kind of weapon were you using? There could be other factors involved, as well.


I was using a weapon that does slashing damage because magic weapons are useless anymore.


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 Post subject: Re: MR barbarians immune to counterstrike
PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:50 am 
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ninja_ardith wrote:
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You yell 'Guards! A resplendent male griffon is trying to murder me!'
You counter a resplendent male griffon's attack!
A resplendent male griffon is unaffected by your counterstrike!


Magical resistance is such a terrible idea.



Since you already verified you were not wielding a magic damage weapon, I am fairly certain I know what is causing this bug. When I played Maelgrim, a certain Hammer spell did not protect and/or work against counterstrike when using backstab.

When Dulrik fixed the Hammer spell to work against counterstrike, I guess (pure speculation) that he changed counterstrike into a spell and/or magic. The unintended consequence being that it made MR barbarians immune to counterstrike.


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 Post subject: Re: MR barbarians immune to counterstrike
PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:14 am 
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You realize that when you counterstrike, you are using the attackers own move (including their own weapon) against them, right? It's a redirection of their attack into their own body. I am guessing that the griffon attacking you was using a certain well known magical weapon.


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 Post subject: Re: MR barbarians immune to counterstrike
PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:17 am 
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Dulrik wrote:
You realize that when you counterstrike, you are using the attackers own move (including their own weapon) against them, right? It's a redirection of their attack into their own body. I am guessing that the griffon attacking you was using a certain well known magical weapon.


This is what happened, I went and tested with a steel weapon and definitely took counterstrike damage.

Wheeeeeether or not MR barbs resisting magic damage from weapons is fair and balanced isn't really a bug discussion, although it's a fair game balance discussion :P.


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 Post subject: Re: MR barbarians immune to counterstrike
PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:54 am 
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This means it is tactically beneficial for an MR barbarian to wield as magical a weapon as possible. That does not make much sense from a RP standpoint, and RP is what lead to things like the resist elements nerf, so.


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 Post subject: Re: MR barbarians immune to counterstrike
PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:57 am 
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RP wasn't the only reason behind the resist elements nerf. By making it unbrewable, it made warlocks more powerful.


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 Post subject: Re: MR barbarians immune to counterstrike
PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:00 am 
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So what?


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