Shattered Kingdoms :: View topic - A third good alignment?

The false premise here is that SK's alignment system is a scale from most good to most evil, with principled and diabolical the two extremes. While there is difference between the good, neutral and evil alignments that seems to be a difference of lawfulness and predictability like AD&D's system and not a difference of goodness.

The principled alignment isn't more good than the scrupulous one, it is simply more lawful. In regards to the usual [faction] rp, it would be harder to control an alignment like scrupulous which is very close to neutral good/chaotic good from disobeying orders and attacking evil alignments than a principled lawful character that will refuse to aid evil but will probably not disobey orders and do it anyway, probably finding other peaceful ways to stop any aid to evil.

While our system was definitely based on Palladium, we've rewritten the guidelines for each alignment for SK and even added in a new alignment -- dogmatic. Given that we now have 3 types of selfish and 3 types of evil, would not be opposed to a third type of good. Maybe if someone came up with an agreeable alignment word and description that is clearly neither of the existing two (Superman [although not the Superman from Man of Steel] and Robin Hood), I could get around to adding it.

Do the present alignments sort well into Bartle gamer archetypes

Author:	ninja_ardith [ Sun May 04, 2014 11:56 pm ]
Post subject:	A third good alignment?
JayC wrote: The false premise here is that SK's alignment system is a scale from most good to most evil, with principled and diabolical the two extremes. While there is difference between the good, neutral and evil alignments that seems to be a difference of lawfulness and predictability like AD&D's system and not a difference of goodness. The principled alignment isn't more good than the scrupulous one, it is simply more lawful. In regards to the usual [faction] rp, it would be harder to control an alignment like scrupulous which is very close to neutral good/chaotic good from disobeying orders and attacking evil alignments than a principled lawful character that will refuse to aid evil but will probably not disobey orders and do it anyway, probably finding other peaceful ways to stop any aid to evil. This is flat out wrong. Shattered Kingdoms uses the Palladium alignment system. It was made in objection to the ruleset of good vs evil, and law vs chaos. Principled characters are more "good" than scrupulous because you can stretch the scrupulous alignment pretty far. Things that a principled character might object to like torture and genocide could be par for the course for a scrupulous guy. The only possible exception I can think of is a principled elf promoting genocide against deep-elves for their deeply held immorality.

Author:	Galthryn [ Fri May 09, 2014 7:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Principled and Diabolic
Yep, principled is just better than scrup in SK. Really that should be on the helpfile. Also your options for good are far too limited in SK. Seems you can either be aloof or an angel. Derp. Well anyway, not the place for this discussion.

Author:	Dulrik [ Sat May 10, 2014 8:28 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Principled and Diabolic
While our system was definitely based on Palladium, we've rewritten the guidelines for each alignment for SK and even added in a new alignment -- dogmatic. Given that we now have 3 types of selfish and 3 types of evil, would not be opposed to a third type of good. Maybe if someone came up with an agreeable alignment word and description that is clearly neither of the existing two (Superman [although not the Superman from Man of Steel] and Robin Hood), I could get around to adding it.

Author:	ninja_ardith [ Sat May 10, 2014 10:39 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Principled and Diabolic
Dulrik wrote: While our system was definitely based on Palladium, we've rewritten the guidelines for each alignment for SK and even added in a new alignment -- dogmatic. Given that we now have 3 types of selfish and 3 types of evil, would not be opposed to a third type of good. Maybe if someone came up with an agreeable alignment word and description that is clearly neither of the existing two (Superman [although not the Superman from Man of Steel] and Robin Hood), I could get around to adding it. Why not take this part into Gameplay or General discussion then?

Author:	Dulrik [ Sat May 10, 2014 2:56 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: A third good alignment?
Split posts pertaining to the new subject and done.

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Author:	ObjectivistActivist [ Sat May 10, 2014 3:06 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: A third good alignment?
I'm inclined to think a third good alignment would do good things for the game (no pun intended), but right off the top of my head I'm not sure there's a type of good that's not covered by the two existing good alignments. Principled for the law-abiding, disciplined style of good, and Scrupulous for the less red-tape, more evil dead guys style of good. Where's the middle ground, or where's the extreme that exceeds the already-extant good extremes covered? I think it comes down to the idea there's a lot more varied ways to be evil or selfish than there are to be good. It's hard to justify a middle ground between the two good alignments that isn't just a rework of either with a different name, and I'm not certain you can actually go further to the left or right of principled and scrupulous and still qualify as good, or still have an alignment that functions as playable in the context of SK's game world.

Author:	grep [ Sat May 10, 2014 4:58 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: A third good alignment?
Do the present alignments sort well into Bartle gamer archetypes, and, if so, can we identify any gaps in availabilities within the light/grey/dark sub-categories?

Author:	Mythrilshotgun [ Sat May 10, 2014 7:14 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: A third good alignment?
NAME: Altruistic A follower of the spirit of the law, if not always the letter. For them, they believe the good nature of their fellow mortal is more important than the legality, but try to hold both to high regards. The path of balance between doing what is just and what is right can be difficult at times, and while they may at times try to subvert the laws set in place, for a good cause, they uphold the ideals those laws are founded on, and will defend them when egregiously offended. Ex: An altruistic character may give their word for a truce, and while someone may point out a loophole for the altruistic character to act, they abstain based on the intent of their words, rather than the wording. Edit: In writing this edit, I came up with another. Vigilante Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. This is the only law that binds these adventures. Suffering to answer suffering is the key phrase to these adventurers. They will still act in kindness, promoting and sharing in the generosity of others. They are the self-righteous seeking to right Pyrathia, working to defend the meek, and bring down its ails through any means at their disposal, strictly lawful or not.

Author:	jreid_1985 [ Sat May 10, 2014 7:19 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: A third good alignment?
so pmuch chaotic good?

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