Shattered Kingdoms

The next diabolical character that does something nice for me is getting reported for poor RP.
Read the helpfile bro the helpfile.

Nope. What gave you that impression? Because I have a differing opinion about a character, my panties must be in a wad? Nein, bro, but nice try.

And this is what bothers me so much. Lighty characters are held to the written help file and God forbid they not follow it or everyone cries out for a curse or some kind of punishment. Yet, when a darkie doesn't act with their alignment, who gives a damn. This is a LARGE part of why SO MANY people leave this game. Maybe not the whole reason, but a large part none the less.

Chris

Not his fault the swashbuckler class sucks hardcore.

Well, could you at least explain your interactions with his character in depth?

Seems like a lot of unneeded drama to chime in a with a farewell F U.

Then stop being dramatic about it. I hinted at the behavior that I didn't approve of in my first post. If you need more information than that, I might as well dig up the old logs on my other computer. Maybe when I'm not feeling so lazy. Maybe.

What? If people started really acting the "diabolic" alignment, or even miscreant, there would be so much crying from people about these characters being "mean" it would be ridiculous.

Reinald would have been an excellent greybie.

I would just like to note that you mentioned nothing about the Lighty half of the argument.

Damn it, I didn't post in time to mention Dunlin and jreid's characters (I remember three but I was always confused when you brought a new one in) and the flames started.

Okay so regarding the whole greybie thing which I was actually looking forward to, to clarify some things. I always found it amusing when people said that without actually backing it up with any details, as if not treating their characters as a snowflake constitutes rule breaching.

I don't see where the generalisation about threats is coming from. MPT is referring to that incident with Gailehn and Xairlenia. To put it in very few words, Reinald was with Xairlenia, Xairlenia kept lying about everything and then blaming random harlequins for mimicking her and then somehow Gailehn got involved with that, being a key witness of sorts. I really like both Pook and Gailehn but in that instance (and a few others), he wasn't being a confused elf, he was being a confusing elf. I knew oocly about the lies and just wanted to verify IC instead of just bringing OOC info in the game. Reinald kept asking Gailehn about clarification and details and Gailehn kept refusing to do that, all the while discussing the matter with his entire faith, Iliphalia and a few others but not with the people directly involved who wanted to escape a bit of drama, insisting on writing letters instead of talking clearly and stretching that whole issue for an irl week when it could have been finished in 5 minutes. Yes, Reinald threatened to kill Gailehn if he didn't tell him exactly what was going on since there was no other choice left by then, a threat that everyone knew wasn't going to get carried out. Unfortunately Pook has this very bad tendency to get involved with RP which generates conflict and then tries to escape the consequences of that RP when it doesn't go his way. I couldn't do much else with a character that refused to talk about the issue, meet, or do anything useful to resolve the situation.

As for the imm's actions which prove some "point". Eh, what actions? There were two events, both related to the same very corrupt immortal. The first one was when Zyander (druid and allied to the Talons back then) attacked a greybie swashie (I forget the name now) in the Zakami for various IC reasons and because he thought the swashie was a harlequin. I'm pretty sure the Talons were either formally at war with the harlequins back then or openly hostile to them without a formal declaration. Sargas cursed me and Aurenna for not breaking up the fight which ended in the death of the swashie. The problem was that Zyander's suspicions were perfectly valid from an IC standpoint even though I knew oocly that the swashie wasn't a harlequin at all. What Sargas expected us to do was to instantly attack an ally (who I also think was in fact a lightie) to rescue a suspicious greybie. The only thing clear about that thing was that a choice couldn't have been made in just a few seconds. I think a pardon was given to the person attacked and Zyander went to jail without a parole. If this proves anything it is that Sargas was too curse-happy especially with my character.

The other action that MPT is blabbing about is when Sargas in the same vengeful vein, called together a meeting of the council of blossoms to remove the leader flag from my character in some sort of SK kangaroo trial. What lead to that? That his mortal at the time, some ridiculous Hammer sorceror, attacked Mephistir in Zhenshi just because. The sorceror died. Reinald talked to both, saw that the instigator of the attack was the sorceror and while Mephistir made all kinds of promises not to cause any problems in Zhenshi, the sorceror turned out to be an extremely rude twat that made all kinds of threats up to and including complaining to the Council of Blossoms (a Sargas favorite when it comes to his mortals, they can all complain to the powers that be and get stuff done, we all know what that really means am I right?). Being objective and ignoring the fact that I was dealing with a childish immortal with a grudge against me, I paroled Mephistir since he was the one attacked without a reason in this instance (and because Aurenna had set a precedent by pardoning him, I didn't know any details IC or OOC yet but Reinald had a rule not to overturn the decisions of other leaders without discussing it with them first, at least as long as they were active and a decision could be reasonably delayed) and under a very clear agreement that further havoc caused by Mephistir would result in a life long banishment. Which in the end happened. The sorceror was told to go to jail like everyone else (the Hammer wasn't even an ally at the time, their leader having broken the alliance shortly before that incident). Pretty much following Sargas' previous holly commandments regarding law keeping here but it didn't seem to make a difference.

What happened next was very interesting. I had this incredibly patronising joke-dwarf leader of the Fist who pretended to know everything when he clearly didn't (he had absolutely no interactions with my character prior to that to even attempt to learn my side of the argument), rambling on and on and on and expecting my character to simply bow down to his wisdom and do exactly what he wanted or else. Then, I had finney's lightie rogue come in with Trolene, kill and full loot my character (some of that EQ ended up being hoarded for months) while he was talking with said joke-dwarf who didn't bother to do anything about it, principles and being a paladin and all going out of the window. So, I sat there naked trying to finish off this ridiculous "rp", paroled the sorceror to let him have a part in the discussion until he became rude and disrespectful again at which point I revoked the parole and he went back to jail. Sargas probably had a fit at that point because he immediately logged out his sorceror and logged in his imm account to bring in a Council of Blossoms NPC to haul Reinald off to "trial" where all his arguments were pretty much ignored since the decision was entirely premeditated and resulted in my character being stripped off his leader flag. Such a well orchestrated effort from so many people including an immortal to force me to quit the game just warms my heart. It failed of course and the decision was overturned later on, something that most people don't even know about.

Do I go on now and talk about Sargas' amazing track record in self-serving decisions, ridiculous made-up rules or helping people cheat? Or talk about how all the "terrible lightie" accusations came about after Trolene started a campaign to depose my character because Reinald wouldn't agree with her wishes to help a Thubanite? It would be interesting to compare two lighties and see who's really lacking, Jennbo's well-known objectivity and love for truth and justice would show the real bad 'un here.

I'd like to say some things about alignments and playing a lightie in the Talons which is actually far more interesting than the pathetic gossip that has been spewed about my character for more than a year now so please, bring forth all the stupid accusations so we can deal with that and move on. Thanks.

Tolene had no involvement in your character's death, other than happenstance of being at the Rumbling Zakami at the time. As for your loot, if you hadn't disappeared for weeks (maybe even months) after your character's death - it would have been returned. I made that abundantly clear when I posted the log on the other forum.

I wasn't present for Reinald's trial and didn't learn about it till after the fact, but you seem pretty jaded about the outcome. Your theory that multiple players and staff member(s) orchestrated an effort to get you to quit the game strikes me as sour grapes. I hope you don't carry that attitude forward on future characters, as it will only make the game less fun for you.

Good luck with your next.