Shattered Kingdoms

Thank you for bringing us back on topic, mdd345. Thank you for the civilized tone that is requested in these forums, p-wn. I thought this was... Bug discussion? The biggest bug in here is your response and this link; if an imm would think that actions should be taken here? Plus, I question your IC actions, since I see no RP before the voodoo.

EDIT: P.S. Imms, forgive my courage to say so, but I strongly believe that if it wasn't p-wn, the one who would act this way would get sitebanned.

Sure there is. I see THE duchess of Krychire. I think "Hm, people from Krychire have been attacking me an awful lot lately". Then I look at my score, and I see "Hammer of Light" there. THEN, I think "Wasn't it people from Krychire that invaded my keep earlier?" Then I decide "Yes, it was. I should probably do something about that."

And considering the log starts at "OMG YOU HAVE BEEN VOODOOED", surprise! You wouldn't have been able to see the RP anyway (though you're right, there was no RP directly with DA's character before the event. I didn't feel like letting him run to an area voodoo can't penetrate, sadly - there was plenty of RP about it with cabal members, however).

As for the picture involving DA crying like a big baby, you're right, that was uncalled for and has been removed.

Edit: Yes, we should siteban everyone who doesn't tell someone they're going to attack them directly before the attack occurs. That'll help the mud's population. Two thumbs up for this idea!

Well, I suggest we let imms decide if such RP is enough and appropriate for a Voodoo attack. This may clearly set an example on how shamans should act regarding their from now on...

That issue is being dealt with. The link should be gone. And no, were it anyone else, the link would just be gone, as well; site-bans are reserved for egregious actions which can be neither forgiven nor forgotten.



You cannot question IC actions based on "not seeing RP before the voodoo" here. The only part of the log seen here starts with the voodoo. *blinks* How can you judge possible RP vs lack thereof from this log?

However, I do that there is already a long history of RP (or at least of PK and the RP surrounding such PKs) between some of the Hammer and Dark-Avenger's character. It's become a kill-on-sight sort of war there. The RP has already been done over the past days and weeks...further challenges have become pretty much pointless since both sides seem to know that it's a "to YOUR death" affair now.



Oh... And if your comment about sitebanning referred to someone who voodoos without IC warning? No. That sort of discussion has been had in multiple other threads in many forums, many times. You do not have to tell to someone and say, "I'm coming to get you now," right before you set out to kill them. Not even if you're a paladin or a hellion, much less if you're a shaman.

Having RPed with them in the days to weeks prior and issued some sort of RP challenge, saying that you will be seeking their life, or seeking to avenge their insult to you or your honor or somesuch... Or having been killed and having issued challenge that you will avenge your death... Or having your countries (or your religions) be in an openly declared war... Those are all valid reasons for PK.

That does not excuse anyone from doing some sort of at least minimal RP at the time of death, but it can be done afterwards...not before. You're not required to come in with all flags flying (so to speak) and challenges shouted ahead of time to allow the enemy to flee and hide. That's just stupid.

Well, I then apologize for the assumption. I did not mean to offend anyone myself. I simply dislike, after all the efforts made by you, moderators to make these forums a civilized place, that I see... Anyway...

Regarding what you say about the RP that has taken place before the voodoo, I accept this, and I assume that in this case, an example for future voodoo attacks has been set here... So, since there HAS been physical attack engaged in the past, the caster DOES NOT have to RP/warn/explain reasons before he casts. Thank you

[Sarcasm]OMG A SHAMAN IN THE HAMER OF LIGHT VOODOOING A NECROMANCER WHO HAS ATTACKED MEMBERS OF THE HAMMER BEFORE OMFG NO REASON BEHIND IT OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG SITEBAN THE INFIDEL!!![/Sarcasm]

Really Juggs who made you the RP police? Do you know any of the details behind it? No. Were you on either side of it? I doubt it. So insted of spewing OMFG NO RP why don't you try to learn the facts behind it insted of blindly trying to defend your greek buddy.

I admited that I might have jumped to assumption, according from reactions I expected and didn't get (in here) and yes, I did try to defend my buddy, according to facts I saw or not. And now, you are trying to? Defend your IC buddy in these OOC boards? God, that's sick...

Addressing the topic of bug here:

I bet that the camoed scout with him had p-wn!'s voodoo attempt in his outlaw record. I recall voodoo killing Mekuda with some law NPCs in exile. Even though he was in Teron at the time he was slain, the law NPCs all went and reported me for murder. So basicly, the law takes in effect of anyone seeing the shaman voodoo in the room with him, in that kingdom.

Unlike some, I do not require others to defend me, nor do I request it. I believe Virnoil is calling you out because he thinks what you've said is reprehensible and worthy of mockery, not through any desire to back me up.

I, Unlike you, Found out the facts before I went here to post. And as for defending him, I think what he did was stupid why voodoo if you can't kill the f00.

And I like how you always seem to jump to assumptions on these boards then go OMG so sorry I was to lazy to find out the facts before hand.

And as for it being a bug or not only the people around the caster are able to report him since it isn't a crime were the voodoo lands but from were is was cast from.