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| Author: | coolie [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:39 am ] |
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I am in the Krychire Inn in a group and three more chars outside of the group. Player of outside the group casts lightning bolt and attacks everyone in the room. We kill her and everyone gets outlawed. How can that be justified? Since that player acted hostile to begin with and we were defending. How come we got outlawed? Take notice that the NPCs inside the Inn engaged in battle with the char that casted lightning bolt. The same NPCs reported all of us. |
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| Author: | Adder [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:47 am ] |
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Anytime you engage in battle to kill inside a city and you are observed you will get a crime for it. It's obnoxious, but it happens. The lesson is to always have mode stun in cities and you'll be able to freely attack back (but not start combat) without repercussions. |
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| Author: | coolie [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:55 am ] |
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For the record, I was on mode stun. I did not start the battle. The NPCs in the room were fighting the warlock that casted lightning bolt. Warlock died, NPCs reported us. |
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| Author: | Im2old4u [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:21 am ] |
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I was sitting there and did nothing but look. I am now accused of five crimes. No matter how or why this happened, the system needs to be revised as far as I understand. |
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| Author: | Muktar [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:08 am ] |
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This issue has been talked about before and I think it is actually a major issue. In the Tribunal system, what use is to have alliances with other groups when you help them out in their own city you get reported for the crime all of your cash and goodies taken if caught. Which is most likely since you are in their city filled with their guards. What sucks even more is that if you are a member of the tribunal and you ask a friend for assistance for eradicating those in the city the tribunal member might even have to fight their own guards. It sucks in terms of a RP standpoint and is more of an annoyance than anything really dangerous. |
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| Author: | baldwama [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:33 am ] |
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Anything to inform people that are not members of the local tribunal what their specific civic responsiblities are in case the city is attacked would be a great help. I don't want to be outlawed, and I don't want to stand around wringing my hands either. Genuine self-defense should always be a legitimate alternative and/or citizen's arrest, as long as you turn over the prisoner to the local authorities without looting their gear. |
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| Author: | Dulrik [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:24 am ] |
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There is a bug here, but I don't think it's how you are describing. You should have been able to report the guy who lightning bolted you as the crime of being attacked. The problem is that since you are not in melee combat, if you run forward to attack that guy, you are now beginning a new fight - one that YOU started - so you get outlawed for attacking. It's a bug that will get fixed eventually.. but it's not an easy fix. I recommend in a situation like this, either running away and reporting your attacker, or if you feel confident, enter the room with him and wait for him to attack again so you enter normal melee combat. |
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| Author: | sleeper [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:11 am ] |
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Please make it a high priority to revamp the entire law system. It truly is "the sux". sleeper |
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| Author: | Im2old4u [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:00 pm ] |
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Dulrik wrote: The problem is that since you are not in melee combat, if you run forward to attack that guy, you are now beginning a new fight - one that YOU started - so you get outlawed for attacking.
Coolie's character attacked via a spell while I was resting. I still have 5 crimes for resting in the inn because someone had the funny idea to unleash an attack towards everyone. Since re-coding those bugs is so difficult, how about changing the incrimination system to NOT charge you with a crime if the first move was made by another person(PC or NPC)? So players won't have to be charged with a million murders just because the guards have failed to do their job. It might degrade the reality factor a bit but it will be much more realistic in most cases than it is now. |
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| Author: | Growling_Mad_Scientist [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:00 pm ] |
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Are you sure it was lightning bolt and not chain lightning? Lightning bolt has a single target. Last time I checked if you overcharge a wand/stave using the recharge spell it bursts into the chain lightning spell and everyone else in the room gets hit and attacks you. Problem here is that it is not the caster getting the murder attempts but the people harmed by the chain lightning. I am willing to bet that is what happened here. |
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