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 Post subject: Being intimidated after already being engaged in battle.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:39 pm 
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Just a point of curiosity here, because I noticed this happened to me recently.

After already being engaged in battle, at both the spell and melee level, I was intimidated by a hellion NPC mid-fight. Is this supposed to be this way? Because I have, in the past, gotten past intimidate by having a pet engage a hellion NPC, and once engaged in battle the initidate effect wore off or wasn't a hindrance to combat. This is a little different as it happened mid-battle after I'd already been engaged against the group, but I would think that the effect is identical, and I didn't think intimidate was meant to work after the beginning of a fight.

Here's the log snippet:

Quote:
A brown-haired male human dodges your attack.
You are no longer invisible.
A brown-haired male human's shield blocks your attack.
A midnight-blue atyrros misses a brown-haired male human.
A brown-haired male human dodges a midnight-blue atyrros's attack.
A brown-haired male human parries your attack.
You miss a brown-haired male human.
An imposing legionnaire starts to concentrate.
Overall, a brown-haired male human has quite a few wounds.

<Life: 100|Force: 89|Wind: 88>
Coin <zero>
>
<Life: 100|Force: 89|Wind: 88>
Coin <zero>
>
A slender male halfling starts to concentrate.

<Life: 100|Force: 89|Wind: 88>
Coin <zero>
>You start to concentrate.

<Life: 100|Force: 89|Wind: 88>
Coin <zero>
>
A squat male gnome starts to concentrate.

<Life: 100|Force: 89|Wind: 88>
Coin <zero>
>
A Peacekeeper templar's attack falters as he nears an imposing legionnaire.
An imposing legionnaire utters the words, 'qkadagz gzfuajg'.
An imposing legionnaire's spell causes large, bloody wounds to open in a Peacekeeper templar's chest!

<Life: 100|Force: 89|Wind: 88>
Coin <zero>
>
Marston holds a slender white birch bough in his hand.
A Peacekeeper templar slashes a giant legionnaire's left ankle, cutting a small wound.
A Peacekeeper templar slashes at a giant legionnaire's left wrist, causing a big gash.
A fire elemental's flaming bite burns a Peacekeeper templar's right arm.
A fire elemental's flaming bite lightly burns a Peacekeeper templar's right leg.
A fire elemental's flaming bite lightly burns a Peacekeeper templar's left arm.
A fire elemental winces in pain as it stubs its toe trying to kick a brown-haired male human's armored form.
A brown-haired male human dodges a fire elemental's attack.
A brown-haired male human's shield blocks a fire elemental's attack.
A brown-haired male human parries a fire elemental's natural attack!
A brown-haired male human's acidic bite barely burns a fire elemental's right arm.
A gargantuan male giant pierces at a Peacekeeper templar's right arm, ripping flesh as if it were butter!
A gargantuan male giant pierces at a Peacekeeper templar's stomach, opening a painful, bleeding wound!
Kalex's diamond battle arrow streaks into a brown-haired male human!
Kalex pierces at a brown-haired male human's chest, ripping open his stomach!
Kalex's diamond battle arrow streaks into a brown-haired male human!
Kalex pierces at a brown-haired male human's chest, ripping open his stomach!
Kalex's diamond battle arrow streaks into a brown-haired male human!
Kalex strikes suddenly, piercing at a brown-haired male human's chest! Some GUTS fall!
Kalex's diamond battle arrow streaks into a brown-haired male human!
A brown-haired male human's shield blocks Kalex's attack.
A giant legionnaire stabs a Peacekeeper templar's left leg, causing a sore wound.
A giant legionnaire stabs at a Peacekeeper templar's left leg, piercing open a bleeding wound!
A formidable male half-elf's diamond battle arrow streaks into a Peacekeeper templar!
A formidable male half-elf strikes suddenly, piercing at a Peacekeeper templar's chest! Some GUTS fall!
A formidable male half-elf's diamond battle arrow streaks into a Peacekeeper templar!
A formidable male half-elf pierces at a Peacekeeper templar's head, causing a pulsating wound.
A formidable male half-elf's diamond battle arrow streaks into a Peacekeeper templar!
A formidable male half-elf pierces at a Peacekeeper templar's head, causing a pulsating wound.
A formidable male half-elf's diamond battle arrow streaks into a Peacekeeper templar!
A formidable male half-elf pierces a Peacekeeper templar's head, carving a bleeding hole in it!
A formidable male half-elf's diamond battle arrow streaks into a Peacekeeper templar!
A formidable male half-elf pierces a Peacekeeper templar's head, carving a bleeding hole in it!
A Peacekeeper templar dodges an immense gorilla's attack.
An immense gorilla charges at a Peacekeeper templar's stomach, opening a painful, bleeding wound!
An immense gorilla charges at a Peacekeeper templar's stomach, opening a painful, bleeding wound!
An immense gorilla charges at a Peacekeeper templar's right arm, ripping flesh as if it were butter!
An immense gorilla charges at a Peacekeeper templar's stomach. BLOOD gushes out!
A brown-haired male human's acidic bite starts a Peacekeeper templar's head on fire.
A large shock from A brown-haired male human kills a Peacekeeper templar.
A Peacekeeper templar is DEAD!!
You hear a Peacekeeper templar's death cry.
A brown-haired male human gets 2 gold coins from a corpse of a Peacekeeper templar.
A brown-haired male human gets 9 silver coins from a corpse of a Peacekeeper templar.
A brown-haired male human gets 3 copper coins from a corpse of a Peacekeeper templar.
Uillean grabs a fire elemental's arm and blocks its attack.
An immense gorilla misses Uillean.
A gargantuan male giant pierces at Uillean's chest, smashing a small but painful, wound.
A formidable male half-elf's diamond battle arrow streaks into Uillean![080307055731pm;0m
A formidable male half-elf pierces at Uillean's chest, causing a deep gash.
A formidable male half-elf's diamond battle arrow streaks into Uillean!
Uillean snatch a formidable male half-elf's shot and toss it aside.
A formidable male half-elf's diamond battle arrow streaks into Uillean!
A formidable male half-elf pierces at Uillean's chest, causing a deep gash.
A formidable male half-elf's diamond battle arrow streaks into Uillean!
Uillean snatch a formidable male half-elf's shot and toss it aside.
A formidable male half-elf's diamond battle arrow streaks into Uillean!
A formidable male half-elf pierces at Uillean's chest, causing a gaping wound!
A brown-haired male human dodges a midnight-blue atyrros's attack.
A brown-haired male human's shield blocks Uillean's attack.
A brown-haired male human dodges Uillean's attack.
A brown-haired male human's shield blocks Uillean's attack.
An imposing legionnaire starts to concentrate.
Overall, a brown-haired male human has quite a few wounds.

<Life: 100|Force: 89|Wind: 88>
Coin <zero>
>
<Life: 100|Force: 89|Wind: 88>
Coin <zero>
>
Marston brandishes a slender white birch bough.
A squat male gnome goes to sleep.
A giant legionnaire stabs a fire elemental's left ankle, gashing a small wound.
An immense gorilla goes to sleep.
The deer goes to sleep.

<Life: 100|Force: 89|Wind: 88>
Coin <zero>
>
A slender male halfling utters the words, 'cone of cold'.

<Life: 100|Force: 89|Wind: 88>
Coin <zero>
>
A slender male halfling starts to concentrate.
You utter the words, 'waowa gsgrul'.
You unleash a torrent of magma on a brown-haired male human, charring his flesh severely!

<Life: 100|Force: 85|Wind: 88>
Coin <zero>
>You start to concentrate.

<Life: 100|Force: 85|Wind: 88>
Coin <zero>
>A gargantuan male giant gets a wild look in his eyes.

<Life: 100|Force: 85|Wind: 88>
Coin <zero>
>
An imposing legionnaire utters the words, 'noselacri'.

<Life: 100|Force: 85|Wind: 88>
Coin <zero>
>
A fire elemental's flaming bite slightly singes Uillean's waist.
Uillean grabs a fire elemental's arm and blocks its attack.
Uillean dodges a fire elemental's attack.
A fire elemental's flaming bite is deflected by a pair of adamantite gardebras interwoven with cold flames from a brown-haired male human's left arm.
A brown-haired male human dodges a fire elemental's attack.
A brown-haired male human dodges a fire elemental's attack.
Uillean dodges a gargantuan male giant's attack.
Uillean grabs a gargantuan male giant's arm and blocks his attack.
A gargantuan male giant pierces at Uillean's chest, ripping open his stomach!
Kalex's diamond battle arrow streaks into a brown-haired male human!
Kalex pierces at a brown-haired male human's head, causing a pulsating wound.
Kalex's diamond battle arrow streaks into a brown-haired male human!
A brown-haired male human's shield blocks Kalex's attack.
Kalex's diamond battle arrow streaks into a brown-haired male human!
A brown-haired male human's shield blocks Kalex's attack.
Kalex's diamond battle arrow streaks into a brown-haired male human!
Kalex strikes suddenly, piercing at a brown-haired male human's chest! Some GUTS fall!
A giant legionnaire stabs a fire elemental's chest, causing only a minor wound.
A giant legionnaire stabs a fire elemental's forehead, causing a small gash.
A formidable male half-elf's diamond battle arrow streaks into Uillean!
A formidable male half-elf strikes suddenly, piercing at Uillean's chest! Some GUTS fall!
A formidable male half-elf's diamond battle arrow streaks into Uillean!
A formidable male half-elf pierces Uillean's forehead, causing a small gash.
A formidable male half-elf's diamond battle arrow streaks into Uillean!
Uillean snatch a formidable male half-elf's shot and toss it aside.
A formidable male half-elf's diamond battle arrow streaks into Uillean!
Uillean snatch a formidable male half-elf's shot and toss it aside.
A formidable male half-elf's diamond battle arrow streaks into Uillean!
A formidable male half-elf pierces at Uillean's head, causing a pulsating wound.
Uillean grabs a brown-haired male human's arm and blocks his attack.
Uillean grabs a brown-haired male human's arm and blocks his attack.
A brown-haired male human's acidic bite burns Uillean's head.
Uillean dodges a brown-haired male human's attack.
Uillean dodges a brown-haired male human's attack.
A brown-haired male human dodges a midnight-blue atyrros's attack.
A brown-haired male human's shield blocks Uillean's attack.
A brown-haired male human dodges Uillean's attack.
A brown-haired male human parries Uillean's bare fist!
Uillean dodges a brown-haired male human's attack.
An imposing legionnaire starts to concentrate.
Overall, a brown-haired male human has quite a few wounds.

<Life: 100|Force: 85|Wind: 88>
Coin <zero>
>
A brown-haired male human slams into Uillean and sends him sprawling!
Uillean's armor protects him from the physical affects of a brown-haired male human's bash.

<Life: 100|Force: 85|Wind: 88>
Coin <zero>
>
A slender male halfling utters the words, 'cone of cold'.
An elephant feels frostbitten as he is blindsided by a slender male halfling's cone of cold!
Kalex feels frostbitten as he is blindsided by a slender male halfling's cone of cold!
Suddenly a cone of cold washes over you and you feel frostbitten!
A fire elemental barely dodges as a slender male halfling's cone of cold freezes the air around it.
A midnight-blue atyrros feels frostbitten as it is blindsided by a slender male halfling's cone of cold!
Uillean barely dodges as a slender male halfling's cone of cold freezes the air around him.

<Life: 82|Force: 85|Wind: 88>
Coin <zero>
>
A slender male halfling starts to concentrate.
Your attack falters as you near an imposing legionnaire.
You cower away from an imposing legionnaire's mighty presence!
You cower away from an imposing legionnaire's mighty presence!
You cower away from an imposing legionnaire's mighty presence!
You cower away from an imposing legionnaire's mighty presence!
You cower away from an imposing legionnaire's mighty presence!
You cower away from an imposing legionnaire's mighty presence!
You cower away from an imposing legionnaire's mighty presence!
You cower away from an imposing legionnaire's mighty presence!

<Life: 82|Force: 85|Wind: 88>
Coin <zero>
>You start to concentrate.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:05 am 
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From the way I've understood Intimidate to work is that each attack gets a check. Since you were not originally engaged with the hellion he did not check vs your attack. When you did he checked and apparently you did not meet the counter check. And you will remain intimidated until you are allowed another check and succeed.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:06 am 
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I might be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure that sanctuary works the same way as intimidate in some ways; In this example, if you try to attack someone with sanctuary/intimidate with whom you are not in combat with, then you must make a (will?) save in order to succesfully complete your attack. Otherwise, your attack stops. Since you're apparently on the back row, or at least not otherwise engaged in combat, then each attack that you make incurs a will save against the legionnare's intimidate.

What I'm really saying is that unless you can cast a spell without an argument (IE: Unless you are in melee combat with someone) then each spell you cast at them incurs another will save against intimidate/sanctuary.

Out of curiosity, was that last spell cone of cold? That might also explain the multiple messages for when you were intimidated.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:22 am 
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It was cone of cold, and I didn't think the multiple messages was the bug.

I just know that against NPC intimidate, if you get intimidated, then have a pet or charm or whatever initiate combat, you can cast against them without being in melee range.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:31 am 
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I know that intimidate checks for the Hellions group as well. But I'm not sure if it has the same check as if the attack is against the hellion because you can usually get an attack on group members as long as the hellion is joined in combat.


So I don't think this is really a bug. Mostly because the hellion here stopped attacking and was only casting here and there. So when he wasnt active he could throw up the intimidate.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:00 pm 
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Happens with NPCs too, another problem is that after you are intimidated while standing behind your pet and then leave/reenter and engage in melee and attempt to cast a spell without target you are unable because of intimidate - although you are already fighting.

There's a lot of freaky things about intimidate, I sincerely hope they'll be fixed one day, but I doubt it'll be in the near future because it's a pseudo-rare sight.


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