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 Post subject: disarm targeting
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:55 pm 
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again, no idea if it's a bug but check it out. Short bake has a knife wielded but can't be disarmed. They are fighting me, they are in the front row and are fighting with another bakemono (who doesn't have a weapon wielded) who is also in the front row and who I'm focused on. No one else in the room:

Quote:
> disarm old
Your opponent has no weapon.

[HP: 98%] [ME:100%] [PE: 75%]
> l short
This short bakemono woman has darker skin than her male counterparts.
Although free of most of the splotchiness, her exposed skin is still
covered with tufts of thick black hair. Her skin is stretched loosely
over her boney limbs, leaving flabs of skin hanging from her arms. Her
torso is compareably overweight, as her stomach pushes out from beneath
her attire.
Her head is bleeding.
Her chest is bleeding heavily.
Overall, a short female bakemono has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

A short female bakemono is using:
<worn as skin> flesh hide (very good)
<worn on legs> a tattered and dirty pair of pants (good)
<worn on feet> a pair of worn out leather boots (fair)
<worn about waist> a plain cord made of woven cloth (very good)
<right hand> a simple bone knife with a serrated edge (fair)
<left hand> a crude black iron frying pan (brand new)

[HP: 98%] [ME:100%] [PE: 75%]
>
You dodge an old and wrinkled male bakemono's attack.
You strike suddenly, slicing at an old and wrinkled male bakemono's chest! Some GUTS fall!
You strike suddenly, slicing at an old and wrinkled male bakemono's chest! Some GUTS fall!
You slice an old and wrinkled male bakemono's head, tearing open a bleeding wound!
You jump out of the way as a short female bakemono kicks the dirt in front of you!
A short female bakemono's slash at your left arm is deflected by a pair of riveted brass chainmail sleeves.
A short female bakemono misses you.
Overall, an old and wrinkled male bakemono has quite a few wounds.

[HP: 98%] [ME:100%] [PE: 75%]
> disarm short
Your opponent has no weapon.

[HP: 98%] [ME:100%] [PE: 75%]
>
An old and wrinkled male bakemono misses you.
You slice at an old and wrinkled male bakemono's head, leaving a big scar across his face!
You slice an old and wrinkled male bakemono's mouth, knocking out a few of his teeth!
You dodge a short female bakemono's attack.
Your shield blocks a short female bakemono's attack.
Overall, an old and wrinkled male bakemono has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

[HP: 98%] [ME:100%] [PE: 74%]
> help disarm
[Skills help] disarm

Syntax: disarm <victim>

The disarm skill allows a warrior to attempt to knock an opponent's weapon
out of his hands. While there is nothing stopping someone from picking
up their weapon again, the weapon's speed determines how long it will take to
resume a proper weapon stance after re-arming. It's generally impossible to
disarm unless you are wielding a weapon, although there are some groups and
creatures whose bare hands count as weapons.

There are a variety of modifiers that affect the success of a disarm attempt,
including both parties skills with the weapons involved, the accuracy of those
weapons, and relative strength and dexterity. Certain types of weapons provide
additional bonuses or penalties on a disarm check. Unparryable weapons provide
a bonus to disarm attempts while two-handed weapons provide a better defense.

See also: weapons finesse

[HP: 98%] [ME:100%] [PE: 74%]
>
An old and wrinkled male bakemono misses you.
You strike suddenly, slicing at an old and wrinkled male bakemono's chest! Some GUTS fall!
You slice an old and wrinkled male bakemono's chest HARD, shattering his ribs!
A short female bakemono's slash at your chest is deflected by a shirt of riveted brass chainmail.
Overall, an old and wrinkled male bakemono has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

[HP: 98%] [ME:100%] [PE: 74%]
> disarm short
Your opponent has no weapon.

[HP: 98%] [ME:100%] [PE: 74%]
> l short
This short bakemono woman has darker skin than her male counterparts.
Although free of most of the splotchiness, her exposed skin is still
covered with tufts of thick black hair. Her skin is stretched loosely
over her boney limbs, leaving flabs of skin hanging from her arms. Her
torso is compareably overweight, as her stomach pushes out from beneath
her attire.
Her head is bleeding.
Her chest is bleeding heavily.
Overall, a short female bakemono has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

A short female bakemono is using:
<worn as skin> flesh hide (very good)
<worn on legs> a tattered and dirty pair of pants (good)
<worn on feet> a pair of worn out leather boots (fair)
<worn about waist> a plain cord made of woven cloth (very good)
<right hand> a simple bone knife with a serrated edge (fair)
<left hand> a crude black iron frying pan (brand new)

[HP: 98%] [ME:100%] [PE: 74%]
>
An old and wrinkled male bakemono misses you.
You slice an old and wrinkled male bakemono's chest HARD, shattering his ribs!
You raise your weapon and thrust it deep into an old and wrinkled male bakemono's chest!
You raise your weapon and thrust it deep into an old and wrinkled male bakemono's chest!
You dodge a short female bakemono's attack.
A short female bakemono misses you.
Overall, an old and wrinkled male bakemono is in awful condition.

[HP: 98%] [ME:100%] [PE: 74%]
> disarm short
Your opponent has no weapon.

[HP: 98%] [ME:100%] [PE: 74%]
>
Your shield blocks an old and wrinkled male bakemono's attack.
You slice an old and wrinkled male bakemono's mouth, knocking out a few of his teeth!
A short female bakemono misses you.
You dodge a short female bakemono's attack.
Overall, an old and wrinkled male bakemono is in awful condition.

[HP: 98%] [ME:100%] [PE: 74%]
> peer
You peer around yourself intently.

[HP: 98%] [ME:100%] [PE: 74%]
> glan short
You are looking at a short female bakemono.
Her head is bleeding.
Her chest is bleeding heavily.
Overall, a short female bakemono has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

[HP: 98%] [ME:100%] [PE: 74%]
>
Your shield blocks an old and wrinkled male bakemono's attack.
An old and wrinkled male bakemono dodges your attack.
You slice an old and wrinkled male bakemono's chest. An old and wrinkled male bakemono falls on his knees and collapses.
An old and wrinkled male bakemono is DEAD!!
You hear an old and wrinkled male bakemono's death cry.
You get 9 silver coins from a corpse of an old and wrinkled male bakemono.
You get 9 copper coins from a corpse of an old and wrinkled male bakemono.
You junk a corpse of an old and wrinkled male bakemono.
A dark blue rattle made of a koonac claw falls out.
A pair of worn out leather boots falls out.
A plain cord made of woven cloth falls out.
A tattered and dirty pair of pants falls out.
A leather shield faced with a painted koonac falls out.
Just keep it all.
A short female bakemono's slash at your right leg is deflected by a pair of riveted brass chainmail boots.
Your shield blocks a short female bakemono's attack.
Overall, a short female bakemono has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

[HP: 98%] [ME:100%] [PE: 74%]
>
A short female bakemono dodges your attack.
A short female bakemono misses you.
A short female bakemono misses you.
Overall, a short female bakemono has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

[HP: 98%] [ME:100%] [PE: 74%]
> l

The southwest corner of a large, underground cavern
The caverns come to a corner here in the southwest portion of the cave.
The space between the stalagmite to the northeast and the cavern wall
is very limiting, and bends from the north to the east very sharply. The
area here is littered with bone fragments, tools, and even woven bedrolls,
tossed about the ground haphazardly. There are quite a few lights staked
up in random locations, providing sufficient light to the area.
In the southwest corner there is erected a small campfire, still burning
with iron pots and pans scattered around it.
Obvious exits: n e
An open iron kettle is here sitting top up on the ground.
A stinking, festering pile of garbage is here piled up against the cavern wall.
A short female bakemono is here, fighting YOU!

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE: 74%]
>
You slice a short female bakemono's mouth, knocking out a few of her teeth!
You slice a short female bakemono's jaw, breaking it with a loud *SNAP*
You slice a short female bakemono's chest HARD, shattering her ribs!
A short female bakemono misses you.
A short female bakemono's slash at your left leg is deflected by a pair of riveted brass chainmail boots.
Overall, a short female bakemono looks pretty hurt.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE: 74%]
> disarm
You disarm a short female bakemono!

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE: 72%]


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:20 pm 
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I'm not sure, but... does the old bakemono have "short" for a keyword too?

That might be the problem.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:43 pm 
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When he typed "l short" it showed him the short bakemono so "disarm short" should have targeted the same enemy.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:48 pm 
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Disarm targets the enemy you are currently attacking. You could "kill short" and THEN disarm her, but as it were, you were trying to disarm the old one. The target you typed doesn't matter. At least, that's how it worked when I was a swashbuckler.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:46 pm 
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Evwyn wrote:
Disarm targets the enemy you are currently attacking. You could "kill short" and THEN disarm her, but as it were, you were trying to disarm the old one. The target you typed doesn't matter. At least, that's how it worked when I was a swashbuckler.


What she said, you have to be in melee with the target to disarm.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:53 pm 
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Quote:
[Skills help] disarm

Syntax: disarm <victim>

The disarm skill allows a warrior to attempt to knock an opponent's weapon
out of his hands. While there is nothing stopping someone from picking
up their weapon again, the weapon's speed determines how long it will take to
resume a proper weapon stance after re-arming. It's generally impossible to
disarm unless you are wielding a weapon, although there are some groups and
creatures whose bare hands count as weapons.

There are a variety of modifiers that affect the success of a disarm attempt,
including both parties skills with the weapons involved, the accuracy of those
weapons, and relative strength and dexterity. Certain types of weapons provide
additional bonuses or penalties on a disarm check. Unparryable weapons provide
a bonus to disarm attempts while two-handed weapons provide a better defense.

See also: weapons finesse


Then it's the helpfile that just needs changing: if you can only target someone you are focused on (I was in melee with both, just focused on the old) then why is there even a second part to the command 'DISARM <VICTIM>'?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:19 pm 
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So you can start a fight with it, hamstring style?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:09 pm 
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Disarm doesn't check for targets. It is only possible to disarm the person in direct melee combat with your pc.

On a sad note: does anybody bother to read the helpfiles these days?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:14 pm 
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as usual ardith fails at reading... look up and read the helpfile, see the little <victim> part?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:45 am 
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Yeah, disarm has been like that for a while, the helpfile is misleading and should be changed.


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