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Author:  BoG4u [ Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Poisoning Weapons
[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> c pois fal
You start to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
>
You utter the words, 'sausabru'.
You place the power of poison upon a black adamantite falchion!

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> wear fal
You wield a black adamantite falchion in your hand.
You don't even know which is end is up on a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> rem fal
You stop using a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> wear fal
You wield a black adamantite falchion in your hand.
You don't even know which is end is up on a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> rem fal
You stop using a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> wear fal
You wield a black adamantite falchion in your hand.
You don't even know which is end is up on a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> wear fal
You do not have that item.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> wear falrem falrem fal
You stop using a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> rem falwear falwear fal
You wield a black adamantite falchion in your hand.
You don't even know which is end is up on a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> wear falrem falrem fal
rem falwear falwear fal
You stop using a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> You wield a black adamantite falchion in your hand.
You don't even know which is end is up on a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> wear falrem falrem fal
rem falYou stop using a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> wear falwear fal
You wield a black adamantite falchion in your hand.
You don't even know which is end is up on a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> wear falrem falrem fal
You stop using a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> rem falwear falwear fal
You wield a black adamantite falchion in your hand.
You don't even know which is end is up on a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> wear falrem falrem fal
rem falwear falYou stop using a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> wear fal
You wield a black adamantite falchion in your hand.
You don't even know which is end is up on a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> wear falrem falrem fal
You stop using a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> rem falwear falwear fal
You wield a black adamantite falchion in your hand.
You don't even know which is end is up on a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> wear falrem falrem fal
You stop using a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> rem falwear falwear fal
You wield a black adamantite falchion in your hand.
You don't even know which is end is up on a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> wear falrem falrem fal
rem falwear falYou stop using a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> wear fal
You wield a black adamantite falchion in your hand.
You don't even know which is end is up on a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> wear falrem falrem fal
You stop using a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> rem falwear falwear fal
You wield a black adamantite falchion in your hand.
You don't even know which is end is up on a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> wear falrem falrem fal
You stop using a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> rem falwear falwear fal
You wield a black adamantite falchion in your hand.
You don't even know which is end is up on a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> aff

oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo
o [Affects] Bibbi. o
o===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===o
o Affect: 'detect invis' o
o Affect: 'detect hidden' o
o Affect: 'shield' - deflection bonus to magical protection o
oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> affwear falrem falrem fal
You stop using a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> rem falaffaff

oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo
o [Affects] Bibbi. o
o===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===o
o Affect: 'detect invis' o
o Affect: 'detect hidden' o
o Affect: 'shield' - deflection bonus to magical protection o
oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> affrem falaffwear falwear fal
You wield a black adamantite falchion in your hand.
You don't even know which is end is up on a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 85%] [PE:100%]
> wear falaffrem falrem fal

You shiver and suffer.
Your poison misses you.

[HP:100%] [ME: 83%] [PE:100%]
> You stop using a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 83%] [PE:100%]
> aff

oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo
o [Affects] Bibbi. o
o===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===o
o Affect: 'detect invis' o
o Affect: 'detect hidden' o
o Affect: 'shield' - deflection bonus to magical protection o
oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo

[HP:100%] [ME: 83%] [PE:100%]
> rem fal
You do not have that item.

[HP:100%] [ME: 83%] [PE:100%]
> wear fal
You wield a black adamantite falchion in your hand.
You don't even know which is end is up on a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 83%] [PE:100%]
> aff

oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo
o [Affects] Bibbi. o
o===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===o
o Affect: 'detect invis' o
o Affect: 'detect hidden' o
o Affect: 'shield' - deflection bonus to magical protection o
oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo

[HP:100%] [ME: 83%] [PE:100%]
>
You shiver and suffer.
Your poison misses you.

[HP:100%] [ME: 80%] [PE:100%]
> aff

oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo
o [Affects] Bibbi. o
o===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===o
o Affect: 'detect invis' o
o Affect: 'detect hidden' o
o Affect: 'shield' - deflection bonus to magical protection o
oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo

[HP:100%] [ME: 80%] [PE:100%]
> rem fal
You stop using a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 80%] [PE:100%]
>
The Teronian Temple bell strikes six times, ringing loudly through the streets.
An aura of power fades from a black adamantite falchion.

[HP:100%] [ME: 80%] [PE:100%]
> aff

oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo
o [Affects] Bibbi. o
o===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===o
o Affect: 'detect invis' o
o Affect: 'detect hidden' o
o Affect: 'shield' - deflection bonus to magical protection o
oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo

[HP:100%] [ME: 80%] [PE:100%]
> quit
You disband the group.
Alas, all good things must come to an end.
You release all your spells.
Author:  BoG4u [ Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:46 pm ]
Post subject: 
So it seems if you poison a weapon while not wielding it, then wield it, you will be poisoned until it fades or unwield it. My str stat was unaffected as well as the affect list.
Author:  Turon [ Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:37 pm ]
Post subject: 
Wow, the original post is convoluted. Good point though, poisoned weapons have been like that for at least four years.
Author:  WiccanDiva [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:58 pm ]
Post subject: 
Where is the poison in the affects though? And when did it "hit" you? Neither shown in the first post. I can fully understand how someone can get poisoned by holding their own weapon, but I don't understand why you would not get the message of being poisoned or having it in your affects.
Author:  BoG4u [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:37 pm ]
Post subject: 
The poison only affects characters at the ticks, that is why I kept wielding/unwielding the weapon to determine if it would normally poison the character, generating that message. My strength was not reduced and the affect list does not show poison when either wielding or not wielding the weapon. So this bugged poison only affects regen rates and a hp decrease.
Author:  TheCannibal [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:47 pm ]
Post subject: 
Ah. You should call up Ferrell, Bill. We were wondering the other day if you were still alive.

Poison has been like that since the inception. Just don't cast it on a weapon then wield or rewield it.
Author:  WiccanDiva [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:22 am ]
Post subject: 
BoG4u wrote:
The poison only affects characters at the ticks, that is why I kept wielding/unwielding the weapon to determine if it would normally poison the character, generating that message. My strength was not reduced and the affect list does not show poison when either wielding or not wielding the weapon. So this bugged poison only affects regen rates and a hp decrease.


The only bug that I see is that it doesn't show up in affects or give a message when someone gets poisoned. IMO, it is the character's own stupidity for putting poison on a weapon and then touching that poison when they wield the weapon. Sort of like poisoning food or water then consuming it yourself. Personally, I would rather not see the so-called wield bug fixed, leave that part alone, just fix the rest of the issue.

I know I'll get flack for this, but I am only stating my opinions and fully expect the flack hoping to open an interesting discussion, and perhaps find out why this bug has not been fixed yet. Every thing I've read says that it has been around for a long time, maybe it isn't a bug but the way that Dulrik wants it to be. Or maybe, it started out being a bug, but then he liked what was going on and decided not to change it.
Author:  BoG4u [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:27 am ]
Post subject: 
It does not bother me now and in the past I never had any problems. I am just posting to show what is going on per request. Sounds like a feature to me.

Jo, we need to meet up sometime, go for a few drinks....round up Matt and Ferrell as well.
Author:  Rennus_Dragonsbane [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:44 am ]
Post subject: 
WiccanDiva wrote:
The only bug that I see is that it doesn't show up in affects or give a message when someone gets poisoned. IMO, it is the character's own stupidity for putting poison on a weapon and then touching that poison when they wield the weapon. Sort of like poisoning food or water then consuming it yourself.
There is a big difference between poisoning weapon and poisoning yourself. I could understand getting poisoned if you tried to wield a weapon that "you have no idea which end is up" on; or perhaps based on your skill with the weapon in question to account for accidential contact with the poisoned part of the weapon. (such as the case in the above log) But a hellion with a mastered sword skill is not going to grab his sword by the blade. He knows where and how he placed his magical poison and should not have to worry about wielding his weapon causing him to be infected by his own spell.
Author:  WiccanDiva [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:48 pm ]
Post subject: 
Rennus_Dragonsbane wrote:
There is a big difference between poisoning weapon and poisoning yourself. I could understand getting poisoned if you tried to wield a weapon that "you have no idea which end is up" on; or perhaps based on your skill with the weapon in question to account for accidential contact with the poisoned part of the weapon. (such as the case in the above log) But a hellion with a mastered sword skill is not going to grab his sword by the blade. He knows where and how he placed his magical poison and should not have to worry about wielding his weapon causing him to be infected by his own spell.


Well, perhaps just a simple tweak is in order. Not remove the chance completely from being poisoned, just make the difficulty based on how well you know the weapon. And I do believe that just because something is mastered, doesn't mean you are 100% at it. I have spells mastered and still fail at them from time to time.
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