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Author:  Dayamin [ Sat May 01, 2010 9:55 am ]
Post subject:  Magical Vestaments on Pets Demystified

Ok, so here it is as plain as day. The gorilla has no other buff except magical vestaments cast on it. I only ran one test so far and did it against a veteran level NPC with a mentor level pet. That would have potentially skewed it in favor of the argument that scout pets are overpowered. The gorilla is in stance defensive, mode stun.

The gorilla sustained 20 hits. The NPC missed the gorilla 13 times. The gorilla dodged 3 times. That puts the gorilla at being hit more than 50% of the time, counter to the 99% miss/dodge that is being claimed. I will be conducting more tests and presenting more findings both against higher level PCs, higher level NPCs and when my scout is at GM level. At this point in the argument, the claim is completely baseless that scout pets or pets in stance defensive are bugged or broken in any way. No different from the potential any skilled PC can achieve. As was pointed out in the log calling Tragonis out with his character, more spells are needed to take a pet to the supposed degree people are claiming and they're not outside the realm of what's within acceptable bounds. I edited out traveling spam to save for log space. Unless anyone can present a log with similar conditions set up to counter the argument, then the matter should be settled. Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

Code:
You ask to Aecyn 'You have the magical vestament spell?'

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Zecha kisses Aecyn.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn starts to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn utters the words, 'qcandusahz yaae'.
An oven-baked fortune cookie suddenly appears.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
Aecyn eats an oven-baked fortune cookie.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
Aecyn gets a barrel of water from a cloak of coalesced lightning.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn drinks water from a barrel of water.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn puts a barrel of water in a cloak of coalesced lightning.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn says 'Aye..'

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn puts a pair of glistening hinged leg greaves in an iron bin.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn puts 6 copper coins in a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn puts a single silver coin in a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn puts 2 gold coins in a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn puts a crisp scrap of parchment of etherealform in a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn puts a finely-crafted vellum scroll of petrification in a cloak of coalesced lightning.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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You ask to Aecyn 'Will you cast it on him?'

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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You point at it.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn starts to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn utters the words, 'waouqar zzghwunsoh'.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn sits down and rests.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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The very appearance of this ferocious jungle animal speaks of brute
strength.  Fully as tall and as broad as a small giant, the silver-backed
gorilla possesses powerful, heavily muscled arms which look capable of
breaking a man in half.  Its dark eyes gleam with a feral intelligence, as
if studying you.  Coarse black hair covers the gorilla, except upon its
back, where it lightens to a glistening silver sheen.   
Overall, a silver-backed gorilla is in excellent condition.

A silver-backed gorilla is using:
<worn as skin>       fur hide (brand new)

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Zecha sits down and rests.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn gets 2 gold coins from a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn gets a single silver coin from a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn gets 6 copper coins from a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn gets 2 platinum coins from a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn gets 82 gold coins from a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn gets 95 silver coins from a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn gets 60 copper coins from a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn gets 3 silver coins from a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn gets 9 copper coins from a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn gets 2 gold coins from a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn gets 7 silver coins from a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn gets 10 copper coins from a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn gets 11 silver coins from a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn gets 7 copper coins from a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn gets 12 platinum coins from a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn gets 346 gold coins from a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn gets 445 silver coins from a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn gets 309 copper coins from a cloak of coalesced lightning.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn puts 401 copper coins in a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn puts 562 silver coins in a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn puts 432 gold coins in a cloak of coalesced lightning.
Aecyn puts 14 platinum coins in a cloak of coalesced lightning.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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You say 'Nothing...'

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn asks 'Nothing what?'

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn looks at a silver-backed gorilla.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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You say 'It didn't affect him.'

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Zecha asks 'You can tell?'

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn raises an eyebrow.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn says 'Sure it did...'

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Zecha looks at a silver-backed gorilla.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn asks 'What do you expect it tn do?'

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn scratches his head in puzzlement, seeming confused.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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You tell Aecyn 'OOC: Did you get a return that said his fur armor got tougher?'

[HP:100%] [ME: 99%] [PE:100%]
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Zecha pokes a silver-backed gorilla in the ribs.

[HP:100%] [ME: 99%] [PE:100%]
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The comforts of the inn put you at ease.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn replies 'OOC: (Yes) A silver-backed gorilla's clothing is magically protected.'
Zecha says 'It's studying me.'

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Zecha peers intently at a silver-backed gorilla.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Zecha says to Aecyn 'I'm nmot wanted in Exile anymore.'

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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You say 'Ok. Excuse me a moment. I need to check a few things.'

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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You say to Aecyn 'You can come along if you ike.'

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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You say to Zecha 'and You too.'

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn smiles at Zecha.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Zecha smiles at Aecyn.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Aecyn asks to Zecha 'What happened?'

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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You stop resting, and stand up.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>

*Travelling Spam*

Adomos Avenue
  This amazing avenue intersects South Teron, travelling north-south.  The
street appears to be paved entirely with glistening dragon scales, ranging
in color from deep blue to dark green to fiery red.  Whether these are
actual dragon scales or just metal forged and masterfully crafted to give
that appearance you cannot tell.  There is plenty of space on this road for
the crowds of people to move freely and to accomodate the volume of traffic
that flows in from Teron's South Gate.   
   It's mostly clear, mild, and there is absolutely no wind. 
Obvious exits: n e(closed) s w
A graceful male centaur is here.
A silver-backed gorilla walks in from the south.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE: 99%]
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This centaur stallion is a shining example of his race; tall, graceful,
and powerfully-built.  His coat is marred with cuts and scars, but it is
glossy and well-kept.  Large scratches are visible upon his shiny black
hooves, as though they were very well-travelled, but otherwise are polished
and meticulously cared for.  He wears his hair cropped short, cut close to
his head. 
Overall, a graceful male centaur is in excellent condition.

A graceful male centaur is using:
<worn on body>       a black leather tunic (brand new)
<worn front hooves>  a pair of battered centaur shoes (brand new)
<worn about body>    a leather, pouch-lined caparison (brand new)

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE: 99%]
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A graceful male centaur is no match for you.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE: 99%]
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A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's right toe, bruising it slightly.
Ok.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE: 99%]
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A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's chest, barely wounding him.
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's stomach, barely wounding him.
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's stomach, causing a small wound.
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's head, causing a small lump.
A graceful male centaur throws a throwing axe at you!
A graceful male centaur's thrown axe grazes you.
A graceful male centaur punches at a silver-backed gorilla's stomach, barely wounding it.
A graceful male centaur punches at a silver-backed gorilla's face, slightly bruising its cheek.
A graceful male centaur punches at a silver-backed gorilla's left toe, bruising it slightly.

[HP: 90%] [ME:100%] [PE: 99%]
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A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's left ankle, gashing a small wound.
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's chest, bashing a small but painful wound.
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's chest, bashing a small but painful wound.
A graceful male centaur punches at a silver-backed gorilla's chest, barely wounding it.
A graceful male centaur punches at a silver-backed gorilla's chest, barely wounding it.
A graceful male centaur punches at a silver-backed gorilla's left toe, bruising it slightly.

[HP: 90%] [ME:100%] [PE: 99%]
>
A silver-backed gorilla heaves its bulk upward and crashes down toward its opponents!
A graceful male centaur disappears from sight beneath a silver-backed gorilla's crushing body!
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's stomach, bashing a deep gash.
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's stomach, bashing a deep gash.
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's chest, causing a deep gash.
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's stomach, bashing a deep gash.
A graceful male centaur punches at a silver-backed gorilla's stomach, bruising it slightly.
A silver-backed gorilla dodges a graceful male centaur's attack.
A graceful male centaur misses a silver-backed gorilla.

[HP: 90%] [ME:100%] [PE: 99%]
>
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's chest, causing a deep gash.
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's stomach, opening a painful, bleeding wound!
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's forehead, causing a small gash.
A graceful male centaur punches at a silver-backed gorilla's stomach, causing a small wound.
A graceful male centaur misses a silver-backed gorilla.
A graceful male centaur punches at a silver-backed gorilla's chest, barely wounding it.

[HP: 90%] [ME:100%] [PE: 99%]
>
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's left leg, causing a sore wound.
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's chest, causing a deep gash.
A graceful male centaur misses a silver-backed gorilla.
A graceful male centaur punches at a silver-backed gorilla's face, slightly bruising its cheek.
A graceful male centaur punches at a silver-backed gorilla's stomach, causing a small wound.

[HP: 90%] [ME:100%] [PE: 99%]
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A graceful male centaur regains his footing.

[HP: 90%] [ME:100%] [PE: 99%]
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A silver-backed gorilla heaves its bulk upward and crashes down toward its opponents!
A graceful male centaur disappears from sight beneath a silver-backed gorilla's crushing body!
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's head, causing a pulsating wound.
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's right ankle, gashing a small wound.
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's chest, causing a big, bleeding wound!
A graceful male centaur misses a silver-backed gorilla.
A graceful male centaur misses a silver-backed gorilla.
A graceful male centaur punches at a silver-backed gorilla's right finger, bruising its slightly.

[HP: 90%] [ME:100%] [PE: 99%]
>
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's stomach, opening a painful, bleeding wound!
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's stomach, opening a painful, bleeding wound!
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's left hand, ripping a small wound.
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's chest, causing a big, bleeding wound!
A graceful male centaur misses a silver-backed gorilla.
A graceful male centaur misses a silver-backed gorilla.

[HP: 90%] [ME:100%] [PE: 99%]
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A silver-backed gorilla gets a wild look in its eyes.
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's head, causing a pulsating wound.
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's right leg, causing a sore wound.
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's right hand, ripping a small wound.
A graceful male centaur punches at a silver-backed gorilla's right finger, bruising its slightly.
A graceful male centaur punches at a silver-backed gorilla's chest, barely wounding it.

[HP: 90%] [ME:100%] [PE: 99%]
>

Group: Perim's Party
(11:F1)  [------------]   (12:F2)  [a silver-bac]   (13:F3)  [------------]   
(21:M1)  [------------]   (22:M2)  [       Perim]   (23:M3)  [------------]   
(31:B1)  [------------]   (32:B2)  [------------]   (33:B3)  [------------]   
Characters                 Rank    Pos    In room  Follow    HP    ME    PE 
Perim                      Leader  22:M2  Yes      No       90%  100%   99%
A silver-backed gorilla    Member  12:F2  Yes      Yes      98%   90%   92%

[HP: 90%] [ME:100%] [PE: 99%]
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A silver-backed gorilla heaves its bulk upward and crashes down toward its opponents!
A graceful male centaur disappears from sight beneath a silver-backed gorilla's crushing body!
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's chest, making him cough up blood!
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's chest, making him cough up blood!
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's left wrist, causing a big gash.
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's left leg, bashing open a bleeding wound!
A graceful male centaur punches at a silver-backed gorilla's right toe, bruising it slightly.
A graceful male centaur misses a silver-backed gorilla.

[HP: 90%] [ME:100%] [PE: 99%]
>
A graceful male centaur regains his footing.

[HP: 90%] [ME:100%] [PE: 99%]
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A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's stomach.  BLOOD gushes out of it!
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's head, opening a bleeding gash in it!
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's left leg, bashing open a bleeding wound!
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's right wrist, causing a big gash.
A graceful male centaur misses a silver-backed gorilla.
A graceful male centaur misses a silver-backed gorilla.
A graceful male centaur punches at a silver-backed gorilla's left finger, bruising its slightly.

[HP: 90%] [ME:100%] [PE: 99%]
>

Group: Perim's Party
(11:F1)  [------------]   (12:F2)  [a silver-bac]   (13:F3)  [------------]   
(21:M1)  [------------]   (22:M2)  [       Perim]   (23:M3)  [------------]   
(31:B1)  [------------]   (32:B2)  [------------]   (33:B3)  [------------]   
Characters                 Rank    Pos    In room  Follow    HP    ME    PE 
Perim                      Leader  22:M2  Yes      No       90%  100%   99%
A silver-backed gorilla    Member  12:F2  Yes      Yes      96%   90%   91%

[HP: 90%] [ME:100%] [PE: 99%]
>
A silver-backed gorilla heaves its bulk upward and crashes down toward its opponents!
A silver-backed gorilla misses a graceful male centaur.
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's left leg, tearing through a muscle!
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's stomach.  BLOOD gushes out of it!
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's left leg, ripping flesh as if it were butter!
A graceful male centaur throws a throwing axe at you!
A graceful male centaur's thrown axe grazes you.
A graceful male centaur punches at a silver-backed gorilla's right hand, ripping a small wound.
A graceful male centaur punches at a silver-backed gorilla's right foot, causing a minor wound.
A graceful male centaur misses a silver-backed gorilla.

[HP: 82%] [ME:100%] [PE: 99%]
>
The wind begins to blow from the east.

[HP: 88%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's chest, making him cough up blood!
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's right arm, tearing open a big bleeding wound!
A silver-backed gorilla misses a graceful male centaur.
A graceful male centaur throws a throwing axe at you!
A graceful male centaur's thrown axe grazes you.
A graceful male centaur punches at a silver-backed gorilla's right hand, ripping a small wound.
A silver-backed gorilla dodges a graceful male centaur's attack.

[HP: 88%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
You drop a throwing axe.
You drop a throwing axe.
You drop a throwing axe.

[HP: 88%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's stomach.  ENTRAILS fall to the ground!
A silver-backed gorilla strikes suddenly, crushing a graceful male centaur's chest!  Some GUTS fall!
A graceful male centaur slams into a silver-backed gorilla and sends it sprawling!
A graceful male centaur's bash knocks the wind out of a silver-backed gorilla.
A graceful male centaur punches at a silver-backed gorilla's chest, barely wounding it.
A graceful male centaur misses a silver-backed gorilla.
A graceful male centaur misses a silver-backed gorilla.

[HP: 88%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's left arm, tearing open a big bleeding wound!
A silver-backed gorilla crushes a graceful male centaur's stomach.  ENTRAILS fall to the ground!
A graceful male centaur is stunned, but will probably recover.

[HP: 88%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>

Group: Perim's Party
(11:F1)  [------------]   (12:F2)  [a silver-bac]   (13:F3)  [------------]   
(21:M1)  [------------]   (22:M2)  [       Perim]   (23:M3)  [------------]   
(31:B1)  [------------]   (32:B2)  [------------]   (33:B3)  [------------]   
Characters                 Rank    Pos    In room  Follow    HP    ME    PE 
Perim                      Leader  22:M2  Yes      No       88%  100%  100%
A silver-backed gorilla    Member  12:F2  Yes      Yes      92%   91%   91%

Author:  WickedWitch [ Sat May 01, 2010 10:18 am ]
Post subject: 

You really are a [REDACTED].

The claim has repeatedly been that MV and Armor together with Mood Defensive is what is broken. And on the GOOD pets. In particular, the golden lion. And against PCs.

So you make a log with a [REDACTED] pet who only has MV as a buff.

Why'd you post this, other than to avoid getting this bug fixed so your scout can abuse it?

And honestly, that's still a lot of "misses", IMO.

Please excuse me, while I go delete the character I just made, and stop reading the forums again, so I don't have to deal with stupidity like this.

Author:  Dayamin [ Sat May 01, 2010 10:23 am ]
Post subject: 

Good, delete your character and leave because apparently you're part of the SK pollution I'm mentioning.

Author:  Edoras [ Sat May 01, 2010 10:31 am ]
Post subject: 

Some people's children.

http://www.shatteredkingdoms.org/forums ... c&start=10

Author:  WickedWitch [ Sat May 01, 2010 10:34 am ]
Post subject: 

Thank you, Edoras. I didn't feel like digging up crap I knew I'd already posted.

Author:  Dayamin [ Sat May 01, 2010 10:48 am ]
Post subject: 

Ok, that's a storebought pet, not a scout pet, so it's not even related to anything to do with scouts. Then that storebought pet needs to be fixed, not scout pets. I also mentioned that I would be running more tests on this. If I'm wrong, I would easily admit it, which is why I'm running the tests. I don't have nearly as much of an emotionally vested interest in this as you guys apparently do and I am conducting these tests purely for the purpose of fixing code. Slinging insults and being completely rude is wholly uncalled for in any case when something like this occurs. Syn, you need to grow up and be more mature. Edoras, you need to post information that follows the flow of a debate, not something irrelevant.

Author:  Baldric [ Sat May 01, 2010 10:48 am ]
Post subject: 

Get a better pet. Order it to mood defensive. Give it armor and MV. Test it against a PC. Stop making yourself look stupid.

Author:  WickedWitch [ Sat May 01, 2010 10:57 am ]
Post subject: 

Dayamin. The storebought test was in response to multiple logs of Tragonis' scout's tamed lion doing the same thing. Go poke around the Log site, search for Zyrak or something.

Author:  Baldric [ Sat May 01, 2010 10:59 am ]
Post subject: 

Dayamin wrote:
Slinging insults and being completely rude is wholly uncalled for in any case when something like this occurs.


Syn isn't rude. She's just hysterical. It's not her fault. She's female. Stop being a sexist pig and holding that against her. Jackass.

Author:  Chem [ Sat May 01, 2010 11:26 am ]
Post subject: 

Baldric wrote:
Dayamin wrote:
Slinging insults and being completely rude is wholly uncalled for in any case when something like this occurs.


Syn isn't rude. She's just hysterical. It's not her fault. She's female. Stop being a sexist pig and holding that against her. Jackass.


You know, the more of Syn's anger I see, the more I want to see a picture of her. I kind of picture a Succubus from WoW.

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