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Edoras
 Post subject: Taunted Rogues
PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:57 pm 
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Alright, so if I have my thoughts on taunt correct, then it has a bog nimbus type effect if the target can be reached by the taunter. There seem to be a couple issues with it effecting a rogue's ability to circle stab or hamstring.

In this fight, my rogue is taunted, on the third row, by a swashbuckler wielding a slashing weapon(Which I find a bit strange in the first place) but the problem that I think is afterwards, when I can't circle stab or hamstring, since I'm considered in combat. I'm not fighting anyone, though.

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You dart northwest.

The North Trade Road
You are upon the North Trade Road. To the west, the Tarim
y|y River flows down from the mountains to cradle the gleaming city
r*y of Exile in a wide curve. The city rests upon a slight hill in
# # the lee of this bend, directly to the south of here. Behind the
white granite of the sheer fortress walls more fortifications are
being constructed. Sheathed in timber scaffolding, the walls and
towers of a tall keep are slowly rising in the north of the city, as the
people of Exile labour to rebuild their palace, destroyed so many years ago.
It's snowing lightly, well past freezing, and windy.
Obvious exits: n e s w nw ne sw se
A morbid male deep-elf is resting here.
A cryptic male human is flying here.
A nimble male human is here.
A rabid male dwarf is here.
A Taslamaran courser walks in from southeast.
Yvette soars in from southeast.

[HP:100%] [ME: 99%] [PE: 80%]
> A cryptic male human dodges your attack.
Your second backstab decimates a cryptic male human.

[HP:100%] [ME: 99%] [PE: 80%]
> flee

A morbid male deep-elf stops resting, and clambers to his feet.

[HP:100%] [ME: 99%] [PE: 80%]
>
A nimble male human utters the words, 'wuwuq'.

[HP:100%] [ME: 99%] [PE: 80%]
>
A nimble male human's mocking tongue drives you to attack him! Taunted by this one, who is apparently not wielding a reaching weapon.

[HP:100%] [ME: 99%] [PE: 80%]
>
A cryptic male human starts to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME: 99%] [PE: 80%]
>
You jump out of the way as a rabid male dwarf kicks the dirt in front of you!

[HP:100%] [ME: 99%] [PE: 80%]
>
A Taslamaran courser tries to bite at a rabid male dwarf's stomach, but his blow is deflected by a wide belt of etched plates.
A nimble male human slashes at a Taslamaran courser's left arm, tearing open a big bleeding wound! The one who taunted me couldn't reach me.
A morbid male deep-elf's iron-headed arrow streaks into you!
A morbid male deep-elf pierces at your left leg, ripping flesh as if it were butter!
A morbid male deep-elf's iron-headed arrow streaks into you!
A morbid male deep-elf pierces at your stomach, causing a small wound.
A morbid male deep-elf's iron-headed arrow streaks into you!
A morbid male deep-elf pierces at your left leg, ripping flesh as if it were butter!
A morbid male deep-elf's iron-headed arrow streaks into you!
A morbid male deep-elf pierces at your stomach, smashing a deep gash.
A rabid male dwarf cleaves a Taslamaran courser's right arm, tearing flesh as if it were butter!

[HP: 84%] [ME: 99%] [PE: 80%]
>
The hardened leggings of a green troll regenerate!

[HP: 84%] [ME: 99%] [PE: 80%]
> Not until you finish off that smart aleck.

[HP: 84%] [ME: 99%] [PE: 80%]
flee
> A cryptic male human utters the words, 'judifgz'.
You feel unclean.

[HP: 84%] [ME: 99%] [PE: 80%]
> Not until you finish off that smart aleck.

[HP: 84%] [ME: 99%] [PE: 80%]
>
You jump out of the way as a nimble male human kicks the dirt in front of you!

[HP: 84%] [ME: 99%] [PE: 80%]
> rrr
You do not have that potion.
A nimble male human dodges a Taslamaran courser's attack.
A nimble male human slashes a Taslamaran courser's stomach, cutting a deep gash.
A morbid male deep-elf's iron-headed arrow streaks into you!
A morbid male deep-elf pierces at your left leg, ripping flesh as if it were butter!
A morbid male deep-elf's iron-headed arrow streaks into you!
A morbid male deep-elf pierces at your stomach, smashing a deep gash.
A morbid male deep-elf's iron-headed arrow streaks into you!
A morbid male deep-elf pierces at your left leg, tearing your flesh and bone!
Your left leg is BROKEN!
A morbid male deep-elf misses you.
A rabid male dwarf cleaves a Taslamaran courser's right elbow! a Taslamaran courser howls in pain!
Yvette parries a cryptic male human's attack.
Yvette parries a cryptic male human's attack.

[HP: 81%] [ME: 99%] [PE: 80%]
> flee

You jump out of the way as a rabid male dwarf kicks the dirt in front of you!
Not until you finish off that smart aleck.

[HP: 81%] [ME: 99%] [PE: 80%]

You jump out of the way as a morbid male deep-elf kicks the dirt in front of you!

[HP: 81%] [ME: 99%] [PE: 80%]
>
A Taslamaran courser's kick misses a rabid male dwarf.
A rabid male dwarf dodges a Taslamaran courser's attack.
Skillfully, A nimble male human slashes at a Taslamaran courser's right arm, severing it!
A morbid male deep-elf's iron-headed arrow streaks into you!
A morbid male deep-elf pierces at your left leg, shatering your kneecap!
Your left leg is BROKEN!
A morbid male deep-elf's iron-headed arrow streaks into you!
Your left leg has been severed!
Some hardened leggings of a green troll falls off from you.
A pair of high boots of a green troll falls off from you.
A morbid male deep-elf skillfully pierces at your left leg, severing it!
A morbid male deep-elf's iron-headed arrow streaks into you!
A morbid male deep-elf pierces at your stomach, smashing a deep gash.
A morbid male deep-elf's iron-headed arrow streaks into you!
A morbid male deep-elf pierces at your stomach, opening a painful, bleeding wound!
A rabid male dwarf cleaves a Taslamaran courser's left elbow! a Taslamaran courser howls in pain!
A cryptic male human cham cryp
rushes Yvette's face, slightly bruising her cheek.

[HP: 70%] [ME: 99%] [PE: 80%]
ham cryp
>
A cryptic male human chuckles with you.
You are too busy defending yourself. I'm not in combat with anyone, but I can't hamstring

[HP: 70%] [ME: 99%] [PE: 80%]
> You are too busy defending yourself.


What I'm wondering is, was I mistaken about taunt, or aren't you supposed to be able to reach the taunted? Secondly, aren't you supposed to be able to hamstring if no one is in melee with you? Does being shot at disable you from circle stabbing?

I've seen other problems with being unable to circle stab or leave the room even though you aren't in combat, but this seems to be taunt related.
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juggernaut
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:27 am 
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No, you are not supposed to be able to reach him. You taunt him verbally, not by patting a weapon on him :P Regarding your inability to use rogue skills while taunted and not in melee, it does strike me as weird, indeed. Looks like a bug to me.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:55 am 
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The inability to flee is no bug, the hamstring part is.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:35 am 
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You were getting damage from arrows. This is where you defend yourself, this is why you can't use circle stab/hamstring.

Ranged combat ftw.
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Edoras
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:53 am 
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Okay.
Ohh I remember now. I was thinking of songs of sleep, as far as the reaching matter is concerned.
Nevermind me.

lousy crossbows
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Ranged combat isn't considered melee however. She should still be able to hamstring. If ranged combat was considered melee, then you couldn't just walk out of a room that you were shooting someone from behind a pet in while skirmishing..as you can do.

Still a bug.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:06 pm 
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It doesn't say "You are in melee combat", it says "You are too busy defending yourself"(as in shield blocking arrows). It's not a bug, that's how it always worked. At least it worked from when I had Dakog like 1.5-2 years ago.
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He's not too busy defending himself, he's too busy getting turned into a pincushion. There's a difference.
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I've had similar problems in the past with issues like this, but nothing I've been able to duplicate again recently.

For example, one time I dirt-kicked a high-level dragon NPC to initiate combat, and afterwards was unable to circle/hamstring, although I was taking no blows and in the third row. I'll look into it some more, maybe there are simply certain NPCs/weapons that disable these moves when they shouldn't.

EDIT: Nevermind, I just forgot to post it before. No-spam is set to all, I believe.

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> dirt radi This started combat.

Toeb runs away in utter terror!

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
> Radi Kenga quickly moves out of the way, dodging your dastardly tactics!

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
Bargh stabs Radi Kenga's chest, barely wounding her.
Bargh stabs Radi Kenga's chest, barely wounding her.
Bargh stabs Radi Kenga's face, slightly puncturing her cheek.
Meheru crushes Radi Kenga's chest, barely wounding her.
Aelraen slices at Radi Kenga's chest, causing only a minor wound.
Aelraen slices at Radi Kenga's face, slightly scratching her cheek.
Toeb pierces at Radi Kenga's chest, smashing a small but painful, wound.
Toeb pierces at Radi Kenga's chest, smashing a small but painful, wound.
Toeb pierces at Radi Kenga's chest, smashing a small but painful, wound.
Radi Kenga is unaffected by Deimoskaven's shocking bite!
Radi Kenga is unaffected by Deimoskaven's shocking bite!
Radi Kenga is unaffected by Deimoskaven's shocking bite!
Meheru winces as a series of fractures appears on a maul!
Meheru crushes Radi Kenga's face, slightly bruising her cheek.
Toeb pierces at Radi Kenga's chest, smashing a small but painful, wound.
Radi Kenga is unaffected by Deimoskaven's shocking bite!
Radi Kenga is unaffected by Deimoskaven's shocking bite!
Aelraen slices Radi Kenga's chest, cutting a small but painful, wound.
Radi Kenga dodges Aelraen's attack.
Aelraen slices Radi Kenga's forehead, causing a small wound.
Elasachar dodges Radi Kenga's attack.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
Bargh tells the group 'Can't hit you back there.'
Travorn starts to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
ham radi
> ham radi
You are too busy defending yourself.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
> You are too busy defending yourself.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
Sultunehtnyk starts to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
Bargh stabs Radi Kenga's forehead, causing a small gash.
Bargh stabs Radi Kenga's head, causing a pulsating wound.
Bargh stabs Radi Kenga's chest, causing a deep gash.
Meheru crushes Radi Kenga's chest, causing a deep gash.
Toeb pierces at Radi Kenga's chest, causing a deep gash.
Toeb pierces at Radi Kenga's chest, causing a deep gash.
Toeb pierces at Radi Kenga's head, causing a pulsating wound.
Radi Kenga is unaffected by Deimoskaven's shocking bite!
Radi Kenga is unaffected by Deimoskaven's shocking bite!
Radi Kenga is unaffected by Deimoskaven's shocking bite!
Aelraen slices at Radi Kenga's head, causing a small but painful wound.
Aelraen slices at Radi Kenga's head, causing a small but painful wound.
Aelraen slices at Radi Kenga's chest, causing a deep gash.
Angry spirits manifest around Elasachar and rain curses upon Radi Kenga.
Radi Kenga bites at Elasachar's stomach, barely wounding him.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
Radi Kenga spreads her gigantic wings up over her head!

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
Travorn utters the words, 'qahif gsgrul'.
Radi Kenga is unaffected by Travorn's color spray!

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
Toeb boggles at the concept.
Deimoskaven starts to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]

>
Sultunehtnyk utters the words, 'aque bragh'.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
Elasachar tells the group 'EJect Barg'

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
Deimoskaven utters the words, 'barh ay ohifl'.
Radi Kenga is unaffected by Deimoskaven's bolt of glory!
Bargh stabs Radi Kenga's chest, causing a deep gash.
Bargh stabs Radi Kenga's chest, causing a deep gash.
Bargh stabs Radi Kenga's chest, causing a deep gash.
Radi Kenga dodges Meheru's attack.
Toeb pierces at Radi Kenga's chest, causing a gaping wound!
Toeb pierces at Radi Kenga's head, causing a pulsating wound.
Toeb pierces at Radi Kenga's chest, causing a gaping wound!
Radi Kenga is unaffected by Deimoskaven's shocking bite!
Radi Kenga is unaffected by Deimoskaven's shocking bite!
Aelraen slices Radi Kenga's chest, causing a gaping wound!
Radi Kenga dodges Aelraen's attack.
Aelraen misses Radi Kenga.
Angry spirits manifest around Elasachar and rain curses upon Radi Kenga.
Elasachar's shield blocks Radi Kenga's attack.

[[0;0mHP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
ham radi
>
Sultunehtnyk starts to concentrate.
You are too busy defending yourself.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
> Elasachar tells the group 'Now.'
The dragon begins to flap her wings ferociously in your direction!


Now, this -was- about five months ago, so if there's been any changes, then so be it. Otherwise, that might want to be investigated.
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I remember that incident. It was looking weird that you couldn't circle/hamstring, very weird. And the result was not good either.

I remember also what I went through for corpse recovery afterwards. I hate whoever thought it would be nice for a simple dragon to have a certain spell 24/7. :(
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