Shattered Kingdoms

Thanks Letto!

But back on topic. Less HF talk, more adding symbols back to the game talk.

I actually never understood why only -priests- get the ability to summon symbols. If the HF is of another class and is viewed by his God as his/her most faithful and worthy servant, why shouldn't he/she be able to cast the spell?

I've argued this before, but give HFs or even F2s the ability to create symbols. Having them on every NPC is not a solution either, because then it becomes a banality to get one.

Let me get the chance to say again how awesome the idea of a custom symbol/totem for shamans would be.

I disagree. I am in line with the belief that priests should get the ability to summon/create symbols. At most, the only other profession(s) that should get that ability would be a paladin/hellion, because the majority of their spells work off the fact they have to be in a religion for them to work. I don't think a lay person should get the ability to create a symbol because their focus isn't primarily on religion or gaining more people for their god or goddess.

Holy and unholy classes get spells that work off their religion because they have to be religion focused to RP their characters correctly. So they should be the only ones to get to create symbols.

well I do have an idea. If all that is wanted in order to gain a new symbol is RP, why not give the HFs the ability to almost like order the NPCs of their faith. Make the NPCs immovable. Let the HF rp with the character seeking a new symbol. After the RP satisfies, Just go to the Priest NPC at whatever temple and ask him for a symbol. He'd only trigger off a F3 or maybe F2. He'd do a series of emotes, concentrate, and pop a symbol outta his butt (literally in Marfik's religion). It would require RP. It would make those temple NPCs have a greater use. It would shut the people up that bring this topic up once a week.

That doesn't make any sense. Why do all that RP when you have already done the RP to begin with that got you into the faith in the first place? Also being an active PC and not a NPC should show you have a higher importance automatically then just a regular NPC. When your in a faith, all you should have to do is go to an NPC and request the symbol they have for your use. It's much simpler that way.

Exactly, do you have to spend 30 minutes to RP with a priest to get a symbol? No, you just send them a tell and they make it. This has nothing to do with RP at all. This is about an unnecessary inconvenience to the player base.

The way it is done now, is the rarity of the symbol places a big importance on the symbol. I have had characters go to jail and die many times just to get my symbol back. The symbols allow you to get into a few special places in the game with awesome stuff. Limiting the number of symbols keep Hoarders like peso from getting all of this stuff.

Yeah, that's great - big importance on the symbol, why again? Because there are some locked away areas that you need a symbol to get in to? What's in those areas? Sacred armor already hoarded by someone?

Or is it because the symbol has +3 mana on it?

Oh wait, I know.. it's because they have twinked out symbol powers on them, right?.

Why can people who aren't in the religion even get to those so uber leet faithful only places? Symbol stats already don't work for people who aren't invested in the faith, so it can't be that. A simple flag check could prevent non faithful from even using the symbol - or getting some serious smiting from their god should they try to use it.

No, I'm pretty sure the problem here is poor design, and a half-assed attempt at covering it up. The people who suffer from it are the people who shouldn't.

If you wanted to prevent people from wearing or having symbols they shouldn't have you would think that you would design the symbols to suit that need, rather than just removing them all together.

You shouldn't have to go to jail or die multiple times just to get a symbol for your religion back. What, just so you can get junked by someone and go a week or longer with out a symbol? It is easier to get any number of better enchanted items for your character than a meager +3 enchanted symbol. That is insane, and it makes staying religion less far more appealing than even bothering. Creating false demand for an item that players can create is ridiculous.

Impossible to get symbol with a meager stat bonus, or spirit aura on demand?

God willing some day on SK nobody will play priests - and we will all be screwed.

You mean our IMMs will actually have to do something productive finally?