Shattered Kingdoms

Please add this new rule to "help rules".

WTF? Auto-surrendering for attempted murder while slaughtering TRIBUNAL MEMBERS is "looked down upon", but killing those very prisoners is against the rules? Please tell me this is a complete joke.

It's called RP. We have it. Please tell me this is a joke.

Not to mention NO WHERE IN THE RULES, EVER, is it stated that killing people in jail is against the rules. And it shouldn't be.

Good lord you have got to be kidding me.

The jail system exists for a reason. Stopping people from serving their sentences is ridiculous. If they want to chance losing gear and serving time, I don't really care. Its doing exactly as much as it needs to.

What purpose is it, then? I was always under the impression was that the law system was in place as a deterrent to going into enemy territory to attack your enemies. The more people you kill, the harder it is to enter enemy territory.

As far as I could tell, the law system -isn't- intended for an entire raiding party to attack a city, kill 4 tribunal members, and have all but one attacker get away scott-free due to all other attackers being on mode stun and auto-surrendering the attempted muggings on NPCs (Since attempted muggings on tribunal members can't be reported). If someone decides to risk purposefully going to jail to use the system that way, the opposing tribunal leader shouldn't have to sit around with his hands under his butt saying "Well gosh darn, they just up and got away with that one!"

Please don't tell me you're planning to punish the people who are following the spirit of the law system(In this case, Peso), rather than those who are avoiding every aspect of it by following the "letter" of the law.(In this case, those who constantly fight on mode stun in enemy territory and auto-surrender asap so it's impossible to banish them) Additionally, considering that the tribunal in question is a reputably corrupt government, this should be completely acceptable. They're at WAR. Why would he shy away from killing them when they're sitting in his own city?

EDIT: And the law system is doing absolutely nothing in this case. There's no "risk of losing EQ" or any "serving time" done when you remove all/give all to an ally, then tell them to sit in your HQ for a few IC hours while you auto surrender for some attempted muggings.

It slows them down for X amount of time. The reason that its not right to kill people in jail isn't direct. Its the fact that tribunal members are killing or stunning or causing harm to their own law NPCs or judges to break into their own jail. That's not appropriate whatever tribunal you're in. You do not run the kingdom, you are a member of the ruling party, but in no way are you above repercussions.

I've requested the laws in the north be changed to better fit this system. Hopefully, Dulrik will comply.(empire too)

I'm personally requesting that you stop with the killing in jail, if you're indeed making a habit of that.

And I will, as soon as Empire/Northern wastes get a better laws system, or taslamar/zhenshi/ayamao are made more like empire/northern wastes.


Its not regular, sometimes I do it to ppl with huge lists, sometimes I do it to people who mock me about killing my men when they get out.

Eh, let's be fair EZE, your personal requests don't mean anything at all.

At least have the class to make it an order - and if you're going to do that, put the rules change into the mud so that people who don't log onto the forums and just read the help files don't get penalised.

Playing an evil kingdom leader who tortures and kills his prisoners is not good RP.

Playing a character who is at war with a kingdom and commits crimes there (against PCs), but then happily knocks to the enemies' gate to surrender while naked, inviting them to capture him so he rots in jail and eventually dies, only to avoid banishment and twink his way out of the law system, is good RP.

GG RP!