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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:24 pm 
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The rule about turning yourself into jail to do your time is that you do not do so naked. The -ONE- time I have ever turned myself into purposefully to the guards I was clothed. My bank account was confiscated and I was maimed and got a day in jail. I think I might have lost a ring too? I don't remember exactly. That was like a month ago anyway.

The only other time I was arrested in the north was the other day when I didn't realize that auto surrender was on. That was a huge mistake on my part and I certainly didn't mean to surrender to guards in the middle of group pk.

I'm not sure where you're coming up with me committing all these crimes and then going to jail so much from. I'm generally quite careful not to commit crimes in the north. The only time I've actually killed someone up there, they apparently didn't report me for. That's not my fault.


You don't need to do it 'so much' to be a cheater. I recall Ishiye only doing it a couple of times, I recall others doing the same to cheat. It is clearly and obviously not playing your character ICly to turn yourself in for crimes to wipe your slate clean, only to instantly return and attack people, and for your opposing nation to have no means of having their guards attack you again because the code won't let them.

Not worth going over when everyone understands how basic this point is. Lame is not the word. Lame is summon killing people's guard NPCs, doing something that is completely within the rules but an underhanded tactic. Lame, for many, is summon killing in pk. Lame isn't cheating. This is cheating.


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Balacha isnt nearly a good a tank as those htree demons npcs


No man, you just have to give him a full suit of +6 mp mithril and adamantite/energy khopesh kama enchanted to +9 +9 each and he will totally own, I mean lol, if you don't do that you're such a noob. Get a life!

*tongue, as Jardek so eloquently put it, lodged firmly in cheek*

Last I checked material makes no difference in the damage output of weapons, only the subtype. Tanso steel khopesh at 6/6 and tanso steel wakizashi(both store bought afaik, at least one of them in Nerina) are enough imo to give you a swashie with elite tanking and damage output capabilities.

Also, none said 6/6 MP. That's more MP than what most swashies would bother with enchanting anyway. 4 MP is enough, and SK has enough mithril pieces that start at 4 MP. And don't tell there is not enough good light or heavy armor in SK right now because I'll laugh.

You probably don't even need the great MP mithril anyway, the parry/eparry/riposte skills given to Balacha plus the basic AC given to him as built in AC(considering his level also) are enough to make him a good tank. The ability to wear more armor and more treasures just increase his ability to survive and add him enchantments overall.

You cannot simply ignore the fact that NPC w/ EQ >>> NPC w/out EQ. If you are lazy and give them no lewt at all, Ghazzhaz > Balacha. If you actually put some effort, Balacha >>> Ghazzhaz.

PS: And let's not forget how certain builders overflow the game with great MP full top AC armor suits *coughs* Algorab *coughs* Taslamar's law NPCs *coughs*.


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TheCannibal wrote:
I'm hardly grandmaster. I'm only mentor. I've also only ever killed one person in that kingdom and that was benjamin when he attacked me. It's not my fault he didn't report me for it. I'm a rogue and I'm sneaky. I infiltrate the city past the guards in order to scout. That's not cheating or ooc. That's the role of my profession.

I do find it highly amusing that a single mentor rogue, who isn't even killing people, is causing you enough stress to whine about it here though.


He didn't forget to report you, he couldn't cause he went noob and attacked you first.


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The more I read this thread the more anxious I am to type look at every NPC in DA's tribunal when he has a new char.


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TheCannibal wrote:
The rule about turning yourself into jail to do your time is that you do not do so naked. The -ONE- time I have ever turned myself into purposefully to the guards I was clothed. My bank account was confiscated and I was maimed and got a day in jail. I think I might have lost a ring too? I don't remember exactly. That was like a month ago anyway.

The only other time I was arrested in the north was the other day when I didn't realize that auto surrender was on. That was a huge mistake on my part and I certainly didn't mean to surrender to guards in the middle of group pk.

I'm not sure where you're coming up with me committing all these crimes and then going to jail so much from. I'm generally quite careful not to commit crimes in the north. The only time I've actually killed someone up there, they apparently didn't report me for. That's not my fault.


You don't need to do it 'so much' to be a cheater. I recall Ishiye only doing it a couple of times, I recall others doing the same to cheat. It is clearly and obviously not playing your character ICly to turn yourself in for crimes to wipe your slate clean, only to instantly return and attack people, and for your opposing nation to have no means of having their guards attack you again because the code won't let them.

Not worth going over when everyone understands how basic this point is. Lame is not the word. Lame is summon killing people's guard NPCs, doing something that is completely within the rules but an underhanded tactic. Lame, for many, is summon killing in pk. Lame isn't cheating. This is cheating.


Geez Gilgon. I think you're just whining because Cannibal isn't rolling over and playing dead. He's already said that he's had a grand total of only ONE reported crime in the North, so stop whining.

And on the topic of things, it's already been discussed time, time, time, and time again that it isn't cheating to turn yourself in for crimes you've committed. That's the... point of the law system. If you want to regard someone as an outlaw even when they have paid for all their reported crimes, then it's the TRIBUNAL's job to execute that order, not the NPCs. That's why deathmark was removed, and banishment given a pre-req.


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Great, so we can all agree that:
Balacha (standard eq) >>> 3 naked but battleready barb guards.
Percer >>> lots and lots of sorc guards that can charm.

Why not swap? (Though I think Exile needs a few more barb/merc/swash guards, rather than sorcerors)


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Sure, as long as we swap the rest of Exiles guards with the Moot guards.

I'd swap guard sets any day of the week. Assuming the paladins became dark aura of course while staying paladins. I'd love to run around in a group of Black Hand members, that all had Black Hand sentinels with them. 6 or 7 o sentinel c 'holy word' would just be great.


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Random_Numbers, if that happens, we don't even need darkie paladins. Just make all the standard guards of Exile veteran level(no more HW or BoG bi0tches!) and make all the standard mercs/barbs/necros of the Moot master level.

Then I'll laugh when I'll simply dart into Exile with my priest and cancel all veteran lvl charms in 3-4 mins tops, forcing the Keepers to spend another 2 hours trying to recollect them and then send through gates gank squads to them during the charm process.

And then we'll have threads filled with tears about how underpowered the Keepers suddenly became and how more overpowered the Black Hand is.


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Serving jail time is not cheating.


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It's just lame bad RP according to Dulrik.

So let's just stay on topic, right? :lol:


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