Melee dominance, a continued discussion.

ObjectivistActivist · **Posted:** Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:38 pm

Demon wrote:

Maybe thats why melee is too fast cause head shots when aiming upper are a pretty common thing. Or do most people aim mid?

Unless someone has a specific reason to aim mid/lower, it's not common. I've almost always seen people aiming upper, because where you hit when you aim upper is only critical areas, therefore you smoke your target a LOT faster. In five hits, for example.

patrisaurus · **Posted:** Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:55 am

That would be interesting--don't know how willing you'd be to test removing aim upper/mid/lower and just seeing exactly how much of a difference it made in terms of normal combat length when bodypart hit was more random, but logically should increase it a great deal.

furyofthen00b · **Posted:** Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:12 am

That is my character, And I will post right here what happens once he tears through Aphrominas.

Quote:

Aphrominas the faceless nymph is DEAD!!
You hear Aphrominas the faceless nymph's death cry.
One of your members has left the party.
A lithe male human junks a corpse of Aphrominas the faceless nymph.
You dodge an Uxmaln pack mule's attack.
A spirit steed misses you.
Overall, a lithe male human has quite a few wounds.

[100] [ 99] [ 96] [The Marrow Longhouse] -=4pm=-
>>
1 lith

A lithe male human slams into you and sends you sprawling!
Your armor protects you from the physical affects of a lithe male human's bash.

[100] [ 99] [ 96] [The Marrow Longhouse] -=4pm=-
>>
You dodge a spirit steed's attack.
Your life drain strikes a lithe male human's chest.
A lithe male human's shield blocks your attack.
An Uxmaln pack mule misses you.
An Uxmaln pack mule misses you.
A lithe male human's deadly wrath lightly hits your head.
A lithe male human's deadly wrath lightly hits your chest.
A lithe male human's deadly wrath lightly hits your chest.
A lithe male human's deadly wrath makes your head burn with a mystical glow.
Overall, a lithe male human has quite a few wounds.

[ 68] [ 99] [ 96] [The Marrow Longhouse] -=4pm=-

Alright from here that is four hits to the chest that drops me from 100 to 68, It is safe to say I'm dead now.

[ 68] [ 99] [ 96] [The Marrow Longhouse] -=4pm=-
>>They aren't here.

[ 68] [ 99] [ 96] [The Marrow Longhouse] -=4pm=-
>>
flee
You need to regain your feet first.

[ 68] [ 99] [ 96] [The Marrow Longhouse] -=4pm=-
>>
flee

A spirit steed misses you.
A lithe male human's shield blocks your attack.
A lithe male human parries your attack.
Your life drain causes a lithe male human's chest to warp weirdly.
An Uxmaln pack mule misses you.
You parry a lithe male human's attack.
You parry a lithe male human's attack.
A lithe male human's deadly wrath starts to melt your head.
A lithe male human's deadly wrath starts your chest on fire.
Overall, a lithe male human has quite a few wounds.

[ 46] [ 99] [ 96] [The Marrow Longhouse] -=4pm=-
>>You need to regain your feet first.

[ 46] [ 99] [ 96] [The Marrow Longhouse] -=4pm=-
>>
A spirit steed misses you.
A lithe male human parries your attack.
A lithe male human dodges your attack.
Your life drain starts to lacerate a lithe male human's head.
You dodge an Uxmaln pack mule's attack.
You parry a lithe male human's attack.
You parry a lithe male human's attack.
A lithe male human's deadly wrath starts to melt your chest.
Overall, a lithe male human has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

[ 46] [ 99] [ 95] [The Marrow Longhouse] -=4pm=-
>>
flee

A spirit steed misses you.
Your life drain starts to warp a lithe male human's chest.
Your life drain starts to warp a lithe male human's chest.
A lithe male human dodges your attack.
An Uxmaln pack mule winces in pain as he stubs his toe trying to kick your armored form.
An Uxmaln pack mule misses you.
A lithe male human demolishes your head with his deadly wrath.
You have a serious CONCUSSION!
You parry a lithe male human's attack.
You parry a lithe male human's attack.
A lithe male human's deadly wrath kills you!
You have been KILLED!!

[ 0] [ 99] [100] [The Marrow Longhouse] -=4pm=-

Alright, Granted I had zero spell ups except perhaps fly and it is highly unlikley he had haste up he just straight out beat me. I don't even think it is melee damage that needs nerfing but the damage from HoL this guy was a MENTOR in this log.

I do not even see the reason to hit Grandmaster if you are just going to solo any darkie, and rip through their tanks.

Lakir · **Posted:** Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:36 am

Dulrik doesn't want people to think they have to GM to be playable/competitive so that argument isn't going to get you anywhere.

Sklz711 · **Joined:** Fri Oct 17, 2003 10:06 am **Posts:** 719

Simply put, looking at this snippet I'd say you completely failed. If it took him 4 rounds to rip through you, I'd guess it took at least that many rounds to rip through your tank.

So, that's a total of 8 rounds. Not knowing what class you are, there had to have been some things you could have done.

Attack with a weapon with reach if you're a fighter, attack with spells if you're a caster, something.

Having been able to see first hand the difference in damage between tiny and giant, it is a substantial difference. Also, another thing to keep in mind beyond the fact that HoL is meant to rape darkies, is that a simple cap on the amount of damage enchantments on a weapon would probably go a long way.

Previous to the weapon changes there were weapons out there in the game that literally could do 80-100 damage per attack+ without enchantments. +10 to damage on 100 damage is 10%, + 10 to damage on 30-50 damage is 20-30%. The difference is quite sizeable, then when you take the fairly large size modifiers into account and you get even worse.

ObjectivistActivist · **Posted:** Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:47 am

As an aside, HoL can be enchanted beyond what it comes with. I know I once put another 5 enchants on one.

And, in actuality, that was four hits to the head total. Two in the first round, one in the second, none in the third, and one in the fourth. Technically speaking, it would have been fully possible for him to kill you in the first round if the RNG had gone in his favor. I've had NPCs nail four head/chest hits in a row and kill me in one round. I think you should just consider yourself lucky that didn't happen.

alvarro · **Joined:** Mon Mar 04, 2002 10:42 am **Posts:** 1053

Atleast it is rather realistic. If you get hit by a war-type hammer in the head four times chances that you live aren't that big, even wearing a helmet.
If you are "allergic" to the weapon, chances get slimmer.

furyofthen00b · **Posted:** Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:10 am

Sklz711 wrote:

Attack with a weapon with reach if you're a fighter, attack with spells if you're a caster, something.
.

I will show the whole log if neccesary. If you read the entire thing from the linked posted it was 2 v 1. I killed the giant real quick and then the lithe one ripped through my tank and dominated me.

The Mighty Fluffball · **Posted:** Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:28 am

And you were flying during combat...why? That's a reason for you to lose right there.

Dark-Avenger · **Posted:** Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:35 am

He wasn't flying, no msg appeared when he died about floating on the ground.

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