Shattered Kingdoms

All this change does is reinforce unimaginitive and annoying playstyles, and relegates sprites to meaningless, shallow RP. The game itself is saying that sprites simply don't have the potential, when it's the players that are the actual problem.

Alignments should be selected based on how you want to play your character, not solely on your race and class unless you are playing a paladin, hellion, necromancer, elf, or deep-elf. Everything else that I can think of can be backed by proper RP.

I am going to add my two copper here. I could be wrong but I think this may be the logic behind all this. This has been discussed not long ago in another thread.

A sprite priest of Dulrik might be ever-so overpowered due to them be capable of capable of wearing heavy armor. A sprite wearing a full suit of adamantite plate armor? With a sprite given the innate ability to fly (especially with the somewhat recent changes made to fly) and an extra attack, I think giving them heavy armor is a bit much. I would seriously like to see one attempt to become airborn with such attire on. I remember a time when sprites were able to take on the mercenary class. It was just too much. Innate fly, five attacks per round, adamantite armor, resistance to magic, maximum dexterity, not to mention dodge, e-parry, e-damage, access to every weapon, etc. It just didn't fit the race at all. Not to mention it was fairly overpowered. One of my more favorite characters was a harlequin sprite rogue. Though a long time ago, he dodged nearly everything thrown at him (from mercenaries nonetheless) and managed to slip through the best of defenses. That is just a rogue!

I think sprite priests fall into a similar boat here. I can imagine it acceptable if they were allowed only a grey aura or only non-heavy armor faith, but to again give them heavy armor, the ability to heal, an extra hit per round, max dex, magical resistance, fly? It's a bit much to maintain balance within the game. Sprites are a great race imho and can do well given the right class. A sprite shaman can be quite formidable. However, if you give them all the characteristics a priest has, it is alot for the race to handle. Sprites are a spunky, easily distracted, almost childish race that lack a fair amount of focus, maturity and determination. To have one dedicated to one God and remain disciplined to it is excessive to me. The only faith I could see one following is that of Marfik and I don't think it would be quite fair to only give the race only one choice of a God to follow.

Even if you wanted to create a sprite priest, why choose one when you can have a sprite shaman? I would give a great deal to have a halfling shaman instead of a sprite priest. If you look at it from a strictly RP standpoint, it just doesn't make sense. Not to mention the imbalance it would cause for a sprite to wear heavy armor. That is just me, though.

Feel free to disagree.

We are not saying that sprites should wear hvy armor. For all of the reasons you said. It could be hardcoded that even though they pick a merc or priest class, that they still couldn't wear hvy armor.

A sprite could be played princpled, but then I don't think it would be very spritely. Sorry, they're goofy flying people buggers, and I don't see how it can really be that much of an obstacle when you have scrupulous only a few spaces away and open enough to play in your own imagined role.

I think the big issue here is people want to play a ten-inch-tall bookworm human with wings. They don't want to play an excitable, distractable child-like race. Sorry, boys and girls, but a constantly sedate overbearingly cranial being is not a sprite. Could be almost any other race but can't be sprite. Actually that can't be a minotaur either.

I cannot see either minotaurs or sprites being principled given the RP parameters to play them. I can't see elves, griffons or deep-elves grey. I can't see elves or griffons evil. I can't see deep-elves good. I can't see necromancers being anything other than diabolic. I can't see rogues being principled, aberrant or dogmatic. I strongly question whether minotaurs can be dogmatic or aberrant. They fly off the handle too easily. The choices you make at creation need to fit certain parameters for certain classes and races. Accept that certain parameters are there before you make your choice. Quit trying to be the Drizzt of whatever race or class.

Wrong, like I said if you ask around I am pretty sure people can come up with a laundry list of sprites that is the counter example. There is even some sprite cultures that is in the sprite-culture helpfile that is most definitely not bubbly. The bloodwings is one of them. C'mon, this is just silly. Not even the NPCs are all bubbly.

You're right about the blood-wing culture, Muktar. They could conceivably be principled, aberrant or dogmatic. But they would still have to be excitable and easily distracted. And they would still have to have a charitable, or more accurately, accepting opinion of all other sprites. But to be honest, the draw-back RP, which would produce guffaws at the blood-wing's expense, is not likely to be played. I've never seen an overtly-cranial sprite actually fly into a wall.

I will support your plea for princ/dogm/aberr sprites if you support my two requirements.

1) All princ/dogm/aber sprites must be pure bloodwing.
2) Any bloodwing that doesn't exhibit the guffaw stuff earns a level-curse.

If you can't support those requirements, I'll stand by my statement that you want a 10-inch human with wings.

Edit: As far as the laundry-list goes, those were most likely all 10-inch humans with wings.

OA, stop putting words in my mouth. Ever since you didn't get your way about the Healing religion special ability, you've done nothing but treat me like an [REDACTED]. Grow up.

Actually, that isn't what's incited me to think you're an [REDACTED] at all. It was a contributing factor, however.