Shattered Kingdoms

You obviously fail to see that a warning of some sort is necessary, even if not from you. That ominous feeling still needs to be instilled. So both your suggestion that no warning is needed and your suggestion Archie has required imminent warning are so flawed and cracked as to be crumbling.

And while I do need to get over myself from time to time, it is you on this occasion who needs to get over itself. Neither of your polar positions are tenable when examined logically or within the context of this thread, for that matter.

That's where I, at least, disagree. This "ominous feeling" you're talking about is cool sometimes, but it should NOT be a requirement. There are situations in which your character may do something offensive to my character, my character smiles and nods, thinking "I'm going to stick a knife in that bastard's back next time I see him" and I then do so with absolutely no prior warning. Or I hire someone else to do so.

Recent or no, there should be no requirement to warn the victim at any point, except in cases where the class demands it (e.g., hellion).

Holy thread hijacking, Batman!

RP doesn't -have- to be with the person who you're killing, and it -definitely- doesn't have to involve giving them prior warning. I personally don't like PvPing without anything said beforehand at all, (For example, off of who-list/asking allies for information about XXX) but even that isn't against the rules.

You don't have to warn them at all. Not warning them just leaves you in a gray area. Many players do not like it when the gray area could be decided by Immortals. You may be more than overcompensating with RP after the kill or with other people and actually bring benefit to the game while still being in that gray area. Make sure your target isn't upset at your performance and there wont be any problem.

I would say these situations fall into a gray area that leave you open to having a complaint made against you. I don't believe that you're intentionally trying to ruin another player's fun. I think its important to know that this situation could actually end up with an upset player which could lead to my interacting with you as a staff member. The outcomes of any discussion there will determine if you are penalized. If this doesn't worry you - then ignore my warning. If you're a courteous player, you'll at least consider it when engaging in player killing.

Two quick comments.

1. Unless I play a hellion or a paladin, I will most likely never warn someone before I kill them.
2. If hypothetical person A ends up having a "chat" with an imm about a kill I (person A) made it will be obvious to me (person A) that the target has made a complaint, and I (person A) will then kill them again and again until they delete.

Keep the IC IC folks, if you break IC to complain oocly to the imms, you are probably going to get smashed.

I'd like to get smashed.

You know?

Wasted, hammered, pissed, trashed, intoxicated, drunk, plastered, [REDACTED] up, sloshed, [REDACTED], wrecked, inebriated, alcohol tanked, gone, shitfaced, bombed, tipsy, destroyed.

IS THAT A RAID SIREN B-COZ I'M TOTALLY COMING TO BOMB YOU MANG

I don't think most opposition is about intent, but about the enforcement statement missing what's important.

It's not important that character A personally tell character B that he's going to kill them. In itself, that satisfies no roleplay requirement. As pointed out, I could make a macro: kill XXX -> say XXX "I'll kill you!"; attack XXX.

IMO, the policy could be better stated as: PC killing must proceed from IC roleplay and storyline. Violence that appears to be capricious or OOC is subject to immortal examination. Giving the target an IC or OOC hint as to motive can be a good way to avoid that examination.