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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:10 am 
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Does that answer your first question, Trag? :P


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Or you could all stay on topic and avoid such discussion in the first place. :o

But no, it had to be Konge, Lolth, instant_karma etc.

GJ there. :)


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Dark-Avenger wrote:
Guess what? It's a win-win situation for me. It gets changed, taunt gets totally imba and eventually gets wimped to its very core. It doesn't get changed(or Dulrik and others just ignore this thread), this means you are supposed to twink your way out of taunt in many possible ways, so I was right all along on that other issue and all others were wrong(including some imms). So I'll rub that in their faces, be sure of that. :P

Apart from that, my point is rather valid anyway. If it wasn't, someone would have appeared by now to give some omgawesome arguments and prove me wrong. Posts from other users like Tragonis or Pushing40 show that others have questions on the nature of taunt also so I must not be as much insane as some of you want us to believe that I am. :P

Finally, I'm enjoying this thread a lot anyway. No matter the result. Especially from posts with nothing at all to say and just attempt to flame me(and fail horribly I may add).


The only thing that I could reasonably see taunt being changed to is having the same duration as bash and trip. You're also ignoring the fact that taunt doesn't work as well in some situations as others. As to what those situations are, I'll leave you to figure it out yourself.


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I say if you want the creator of the game to listen to you, then pay him his due. Not much intellectual thought in whining about a game you play for free.


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Ardith, I'm not suggesting any ways to wimp taunt. I'm suggesting a buff for taunt. As you can't quaff word to get out of taunt, you shouldn't be able to enter any command to avoid damaging the swashie(you are taunted, you want to harm him, not avoid him) and just wait for the taunt duration to pass by so you can flee/wor. Be it etherealform, spam casted defensive buffs that negate damage or anything. You have no will to do these or anything to avoid the swashie, that's what everyone keeps saying, right?

What must happen to taunt afterwards to be wimped is a totally different discussion that will eventually happen when people see the overpowered taunt in action. I care not if it's a better save, a lag for the taunter, a lock of the taunter so he can't flee or anything. As I said, it's a whole different discussion.

And SK_Phantom, I'm just wanting to hear what taunt is so I can probably point to huge bugs in the coding of the game and help SK become better. Who knows, all these might not be bugs. Perhaps you can have your own will to avoid the taunter by turning ethereal or whatever. If Dulrik says so, I'm fine with it.

It's just that then I get to laugh at a few players and imms and mock them, that's all. Not my problem if they have issues with me as a player to step out of the line(golden rules, common courtesy etc) and on purpose [REDACTED] up with my characters. I just won't sit down to wait the next time I get [REDACTED] up though. If that's too cruel for them, perhaps they should have thought about some things twice before doing them.

In conclusion, a bugged game is not a good game, right? And I'm sure every game developer would like to hear of the bugs in his game, right? I'm just trying to help. So I just wait to hear Dulrik's response to this thread's initial post.


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And SK_Phantom, I'm just wanting to hear what taunt is so I can probably propose huge bugs in the coding of the game and help SK become better. Who knows, all these might not be bugs. Perhaps you can have your own will to avoid the taunter by turning ethereal or whatever. If Dulrik says so, I'm fine with it.


If you ever talk directly to me DA, you should know I don't buy [REDACTED] like this. You may be a great [REDACTED] salesman, but this argument is weak.

IF, and that is a big one there, your intentions are to improve the game then maybe, but we both know what you just want to play with your toys the way YOU think they they should work. Dulrik has no reason, nor responsibility to respond to you in any way. How many more people saying "Drop it" will it take? You wanted our opinion and it must be sad for you to know that our opinion is that we just don't give a [REDACTED].


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Man, that's stupid. You're waging an argument from absurdity.

Needing to make taunt overpowered so that you can get it wimped just insults everybody's intelligence.

In short, your argument was constructed of and is entirely made of fail.

That's akin to saying that acid blast should do double damage so that it could get wimped.


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SK_Phantom, explain to me with arguments why taunt works fine and this thread has no reason to exist and I'll drop it. None did it, everyone was like *facepalm*. Awesome argument for some of you, but I've learned in my life to discuss with logical arguments, not like a winner of special olympics or something.

Just "drop it" is not qualifying as an argument. You just lower yourself to the intelligence levels of Pyras or evilpiggies666. And trust me, you don't want to degrade yourself so much.

And I think Dulrik has a reason to respond to me. After all, if I read the index.php correctly, I see...
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This forum is for questions and discussion about existing gameplay features including skills, spells, tactics, politics, and economics. Ideas for new features are also welcome. Do NOT discuss features that are not common in-character knowledge, such as cabal abilities or details of rare items.

I think I am trying to discuss existing gameplay features(a skill) and see how it works exactly. If you scan through the other threads in this section, you'll see much discussion of other skills where Dulrik has actually given a reply and cleared the situation. If he does that here, this meaningless discussion will end.

And ardith, I'm not trying to make taunt overpowered to wimp it. I'm trying to make taunt working as intended, from what I heard from Achernar himself(as well as other players). If now this version of taunt is so overpowered, I guess it will get wimped eventually as every imba skill/spell/tactic gets wimped.

I just see a little forward and I can tell you from now that if taunt works as it should be(the way Achernar and others promote), it will be overpowered. It's not rocket science exactly.


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DA is acting like a kid that is screaming as loud as he can to get some sort of attention from the parent. The parent of course, just ignoring him because he is being rude and doesn't get it that if he is actually stops crying and talks politely the parent might actually respond.


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 Post subject: Re: Taunt and you
PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:40 am 
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Dark-Avenger wrote:
What are you supposed to do in taunt situations?

Should you be able to make a single attempt to avoid combat(scripts, defensive buffs, etherealform etc)? Or not?

As it is now, taunt is probably bugged. There was a huge fuss from some players(and not only them) that with taunt you shouldn't be able to do anything to avoid combat. I'm pretty sure said players would also want to make etherealform not working while taunted(any form, casted, scripted, from devices), or even defensive buffs like spam casting stone skin for example. After all, if you are taunted, you are so mad that all you care about is fighting the swashie to the death, not trying to figure ways to slow down his damage output on your character so that the taunt duration passes by and you are free to flee/WoR out.

I'd like to see Dulrik's response especially, to know what is acceptable and what must be changed through code because obviously people are using things like that since the taunt change to get out of a cheap kill.

Do you see anything rude here in the initial post?

Or do you see Dulrik's response right below it?

Better yet, check the timestamp also.

Wow, SK players these days, they never stop to amaze me. :o


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