Shattered Kingdoms

Bards already have gm of every buff if they aren't morons. Oh jeeze, you can't persuade NPCs when judges are in their area in zhenshi/taslamar/wastes/ayamao. Your life is over!

I don't approve of coding that distinguishes between PCs and NPCs as far as the law system works, but whatevs. I think that persuading the innkeeper to attack a PC should be a crime, so should persuading the innkeeper to drop all his money.

And to prove your point, you decided to come out and call me a moron for bringing it up. That was uncalled for...

I didn't say you were a moron for bringing it up. I said any bard who can't get GM buffs without this is a moron. Still, this change is something worth being debated - and it could quite possibly be called a bug.

This is a new thing? I thought it had been like that for a while.

No PC/NPC distinction, merely a combat/non-combat distinction. Persuading them to do thinks which could get them outlawed would fall on the persuader, things like buffs and the like wouldn't be outlawable.

Makes sense, no?

Wouldn't exactly be fair to persuade someone to kill someone and then go and report them...

What about persuading someone to release their spells? Persuading them to do something that isn't a crime (attacking a tribunal member). Persuading them to cb 'Quick, somebody quickly contact Tom immediately!' Persuading them to remove all their eq while another bard persuades them to drop it?

Absurd . Note, though, that all of these problems are fixed with a law code that allows tribunal leaders to act as they deem fit.

Just for accuracy of information, it is my understanding that
1) You can only persuade people to remove things one at a time
2) You cannot persuade them to drop anything

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. To me it seems like persuade is a bit too weak with the lag involved, mana cost, high chance of failure, inability to be used while engaged in combat, and NPCs reporting you when you use it.

Except you can use it ethereal, therefore making it an absurd + ridiculously op skill in the hands of someone who doesn't suck.

As a bard and a bard without a lot of experience, I'll be the first to confess that it is more than powerful enough to make up for any deficiencies it has. Buffs are only one way in which it rocks, and there's a lot more that I haven't tried with it yet.

Nothing I have read in this thread justifies the foolishness of getting outlawed when you have successfully PERSUADED someone to do anything. If nothing else, stop calling the skill "PERSUADE". Call it "fool" or anything, because it's utterly stupid as it is now.

And there's one more thing I have to say to people like Algon:

Keep swinging that nerf bat, and in the end there will be nothing to nerf at all.