Shattered Kingdoms

Charm person should definitely be a mentor level spell, and renamed enthrall.

*bites his tongue*

I haven't been charmed in over 2 yrl years spanning at least 3 characters. So no, I have not "abused" my way out of charm. The point, my dear internet friend, is that one needs to consider two things here: balance and realism. If charm person is meant to be "enthrall" as Ardith pointed out, then yes, we should be restricted in how many commands we can type into our characters. HOWEVER - for game balance purposes if you're going to make the spell that powerful, it needs to have more save opportunities, be a higher level, higher cost, and longer cast time to bring it into line with other spells like finger of death, petrification, etc.



Let me get this straight. Since people weren't RPing "correctly" a spell which was never well-defined (i.e., just how much control over one's mind the caster had), we should leave the newly modified spell overpowered rather than consider what might be done to bring it into balance? That's what you're saying, right?

I have an idea. You work on your spelling tests and the adults will discuss the issue. Sound good to you?

Off topic about charm. You go out with your leader you reason for being to attack/defend do something and the guys from the other party charm you. Yes the one who charmed you is nice and all and I would never lay a hand on him or do anything that harms him.. I may even find reasonable to remove all my things for him.. He knows best.. But attack the ones I have spend all my life with them?? That sounds more like dominate than charm to me.. My two cents

This is the unfortunate truth.

But what goes around comes around. If you charmers like the spell now, you'd best tread lightly when using it. The more charm gets abused by people, the more nerfs will come down the pipe. For instance, dropping charmies over a city? That's going to get taken care of ASAP. In the meantime, don't do it.

All I can do is repeat my entreaty to make this spell have some more drawbacks. My character has access to this spell, and even without dropping people over cities I can think of a half-dozen ways to use the new coding of this spell to reliably kill people and largely if not wholly avoid the law code.

They would all be perfectly legal and in theme the way the spell is currently defined.

Feel free to let me know how that works. The changes specifically made it so that the charmee will remember being charmed, and all the other crimes they used to forget, and be able to report them as a crime. If there are still ways of subverting that, I'd like to know about it.

Well thats [REDACTED]. Two crimes and have an obsidian and still cant even pay for the crimes.

And 6 days...for two crimes. Thats absurd. The old system was way better...This is stupid.

And this was for some noob amateur griffon attacking me and dying in 1 round and then I get wanted for it. :/

Also....




So why did I get extra time if I had enough to pay for partial? I think thats bugged...

I think you mean 2 irl years.





Please leave your flaming in general discussion.

For the record I didn't say we should leave the newly modified spell as is, I actually said:


I suggested that charm person be a time based spell. This way there is a limited amount of time a PC can be controlled. To add to this after the charm wears off the PC should have a buffer that protects him or her outright from any charm spells for a short while.

How much was in your bank account?