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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:55 pm 
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If this was done, every caster except the one class I believe you're referring to, would be unable to do anything except hide in secret rooms until no single melee character was logged on. At least if they didn't want to get utterly destroyed.

Or they could also put more priority on grouping with other players.


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Dulrik wrote:
JeanValjean wrote:
If this was done, every caster except the one class I believe you're referring to, would be unable to do anything except hide in secret rooms until no single melee character was logged on. At least if they didn't want to get utterly destroyed.

Or they could also put more priority on grouping with other players.


Your builders have no idea how powerful a NPC that one can buy as a charmed pet _should_ be. There have apparently been no guidelines set for this -> because more and more problems pop up every few months.

You personally went to my when I played my shaman a few years ago and claimed that I was a '[REDACTED] cheater' because I had a dragon pet that hit 6 times a round hasted -> of course, you realized then that it was just another one of your builders who put in stupid pets in a new zone that I had taken advantage of.

Please set standards on how powerful pets should be, what race they should be, what level they should be, and what classes they should be. It would solve a lot of problems.


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Dulrik wrote:
JeanValjean wrote:
If this was done, every caster except the one class I believe you're referring to, would be unable to do anything except hide in secret rooms until no single melee character was logged on. At least if they didn't want to get utterly destroyed.

Or they could also put more priority on grouping with other players.


Requiring people to group with others just to sit in an INN and CHAT? That's the some of the worst reasoning I've ever heard.


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Dulrik wrote:
JeanValjean wrote:
If this was done, every caster except the one class I believe you're referring to, would be unable to do anything except hide in secret rooms until no single melee character was logged on. At least if they didn't want to get utterly destroyed.

Or they could also put more priority on grouping with other players.


Requiring people to group with others just to sit in an INN and CHAT? That's the some of the worst reasoning I've ever heard.


Consider the source. Confusion resolved.


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OA's constant hostility toward even my most innocuous suggestions is always amazing. I don't hesitate to throw opinions out on these forums, regardless of whether I think they are good or bad, because I'd like to hear opinions about them. I think that is pretty reasonable.

Granted, OA definitely has opinions, but the constant denigration is not necessary. If OA feels like everything he touches turns to gold, I urge him to go start his own game and see what the experience is really like. With a little experience of his own, he might be better capable of seeing other points of view and would consider stepping off my nuts.

Now waiting for the inevitable OA backlash painting me as a stubborn individual. Pot calling kettle black. :roll:


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JeanValjean wrote:
If this was done, every caster except the one class I believe you're referring to, would be unable to do anything except hide in secret rooms until no single melee character was logged on. At least if they didn't want to get utterly destroyed.


Oh yeah, I forgot we were playing PK BLASTERMUD 20XX, a MUD where you PK first and then use the teabag command repeatedly on your fallen opponent. Surely we're not playing SK, a game where roleplay is supposed to come before randomly walking into places and ganking others!

My apologies.

Alas, all sarcasm aside, the need for pets has arisen almost entirely due to how much easier it is to defeat the law in a city nowadays, in addition to the fact that RP is extraordinarily rare as a method to solve or handle confrontations or as a lead in to actual fighting. At the same time, Gilgon is right: there's no real standard for what a pet should or should not be... yet.

Of course, deciding on a standard should not be all that difficult. In my opinion, all store-bought pets should explicitly be unable to cast spells, or have access to any advanced skills. They should be limited to one of three types: tank, damage and mount. Each of these serve a very clear, specific purpose and may only mildly differ from each other in flavor, utility and level.

And, probably like items, the ability to keep them should be something like level. I don't think every player should have access to a level 25 mount, because if you could, then what's the point of domination? Particularly when you can buy something better than you can dominate?

There's a lot of thought that could be put into the whole deal. Feel free to come up with ideas (not promising they'll get implemented, but it will get the ball rolling towards change).

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With a little experience of his own, he might be better capable of seeing other points of view and would consider stepping off my nuts.


You seriously just used the expression "stepping off my nuts." :o :lol:


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We've had the conversation vis-a-vis the difference between stubbornness and unreasoning ignorance of a subject previously. Stubbornness I do not denigrate, and in fact can respect. I also freely admit the trait in myself. What I cannot respect, and am in fact physically nauseated by, is the refusal to look at an argument from a rational standpoint but instead resorting to ignorance.

Your argument was not reasonable before you made it, and doing so showed a supreme lack of understanding related to the functioning and playability of your own game. No, I will not respect a viewpoint just because someone else has it. Like people, not all viewpoints are worth giving my respect to.

EDIT: You have no idea what my experiences are or are not, and your assumption that I have none similar to yours is unfounded.


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Honestly I don't see any reason why pets that cast enlarge/shrink/invis/fly shouldn't exist, but that's the EXTENT of what they should be able to cast.


As for the rest...

Tank NPCs - high hp, good "armor" (scale, energy, toughness, etc), low damage output. Veteran level max.

DPS NPCs - Low hp, medium armor, decent damage output. Veteran level max.

Mounts can really be either or neither.

Utility (optional) - low-level NPCs to resize, cast invis and fly. I really do like these being in the game because oftentimes there are no sorcerers around to do those things, and fly and invis are INCREDIBLY useful for leveling (try getting to the pirate galleon or something without it, sorry you can't)


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I think that no buyable pet should be about lvl 25, and you shouldn't be able to buy pets that are higher lvl than you.

I also find it stupid to see people that hate imperials ICly, running around with heavy imperial warhorses, or people that attack taslamar constantly running around with white dragons from there.

RP with your horses, ppls.


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Utility (optional) - low-level NPCs to resize, cast invis and fly. I really do like these being in the game because oftentimes there are no sorcerers around to do those things, and fly and invis are INCREDIBLY useful for leveling (try getting to the pirate galleon or something without it, sorry you can't)


That's unfortunate, then. You should try finding more friends, or wait until they're around. Alternatively, rely on potions for things such as fly and invis.

Can't find potions for that? Ask your friendly neighborhood builder to put some in somewhere. Pets should not replace classes.

In particular, pets shouldn't make newbies pointless. Go find newbie sorcerers who will cast the basic utilities like resizing for you.


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