Shattered Kingdoms

True.

emote shows you his middle finger.

That is the act. You can take that as insult, or maybe the finger is cut off at the middle knuckle, or maybe theres a ring on it...or any other random time the act could be used.

And just to be off topic, the best marijuana in SK comes from Taslamar.

Finally some sense!
Now with the mentor command if you emote something and the other cannot see it, then you just 'teach XXX WWWWW' and you are done. So the case of abusing emotes has been pushed aside from the implementation of mentor command (more or less) If an aghelian looks at some uxmaln pace about the room he will understand, in fact even an orangutan would see him pace about the room.

Now, I have a valid reason for reviving this, and I hope it'll at least be respected that I bothered to search and read to ensure I brought back the most recent topic on it.

I started just last night. My RP has already suffered multiple times from the language barriers on emotes, and if in 12 hours, my RP is suffering, I'm sure others have suffered more. I've seen a MUD lose RP -entirely- over such aggressive censorship of emotes (and they allowed proven RPers to bypass it).

I understand the reasoning of people abused it, but I also understand that abuse was years ago, and I'm being forced to learn languages I otherwise wouldn't learn except to know John Doe over there just farted.

Tell me, is pointing a loaded crossbow at someone incomprehensible in any language? Is there any country where you're going to be considered normal if you run around flailing your arms about randomly or banging your hands against every inanimate object you pass?

I propose, instead of censoring the whole freaking emote, and therefore FORCING people to learn the local language just so they can grab their crotch and do a jig when they have to pee and don't know where they need to go, how about detecting speech in emotes. I could put a trigger in my client to do it, and I'm gonna take a guess and say the codebase's language isn't so severely limited that it can't be coded in.

I've even seen MUDs that didn't have a say command. Instead, it was all emotes, and it applied your language to anything you put between quotes. Is it really so hard to apply languages to a "*" into the emote code, so that we can have the following?

John does:
emote waves to the newcomer and says "Hey! How are you?"

and the newcomer, not knowing the language, sees:
John waves to the newcomer and says "Sfe! Zel oti nei?"

And sure, people could abuse that too. They could just use single quotes to get around it. But really, would so many people abuse it that you can't just smack them with a ban/silence stick on the second or third time? If someone feels the need to bypass the IC language barrier by OOC means, then tell me, would you rather keep someone with that kind of metagame attitude, or would you rather spot and remove them before they do something worse than a bad emote?


Now, if my suggestion is no good, then let's talk, and try to come up with something that's on a middle ground.

Your suggestion has been brought up before, and has been repeatedly ignored by the staff. While it's good, and certain players would use it, they will cite "pemote" as their reasoning not to go ahead with a language-inclusive emote.

Pemote wasn't a part of the game for a LONG time, and we begged and pleaded. Now that it's implemented, not many people regularly use it. (Please, people, spare me the "I use pemote all the time" posts that inevitably like to follow a blanket statement that MOST PEOPLE DO NOT.)

Not learning languages in SK is pretty much an unwise decision, though. I've done it, selectively - refusing a language or two based on the RP of my characters - but overall you're going to miss out on much much more than simple emotes.

I believe that the "social" commands are considered universal gestures, and do not get blocked by languages. At least that's how it -was- and how I believe it -ought to be- if they're going to leave it as it is. An emote is a more complex action.

I'm sorry that you're frustrated, and I'm sorry it doesn't make much sense, but the abuse WAS absolutely freaking horrid. Unfortunately, the playerbase makes this sort of censorship necessary.

Yes. It was also horrid on a MUD I came from, where people once emoted speaking with a race that -couldn't- speak. They disabled freeform emotes -entirely- to prevent abuse, except for people that proved themselves good roleplayers. As it is, I'm being forced to learn languages I otherwise wouldn't, so I could see someone -tap their chin-. This is simply ridiculous. As for pemote... it's a possessive emote, that uses a single apostrophe. ' and " are separate characters regardless of font.

I see only three ends to this debate. Either something gets changed, and I invite friends and vote and maybe even donate if I can.... Or I get fed up and leave, or staff get fed up and ban me. And I'm willing to risk my ability to play here over the furthering of proper RP.

There are a lot of ways to try and get things done here. But holding yourself, as a player, hostage is not one of them. It's immature, arrogant and downright bratty.

I actually agree that we'd be better off with some abuse, imm enforcement of said abuse, and reverting the code back to disconnect emoting and language skill.

That said, why is your character so averse to learning local languages? I agree that it's a slight imposition and potentially slightly out of character, but in the scheme of things ... why make that your line in the sand?

Welcome to Shattered Kingdoms, by the way. Hope to see you in game.

That's not my intent. I was pointing out, that I have no intention of dropping this over the simple fact that it could be abused.

There are worse forms of abuse than emoting speech to get around the speech barrier. Staff could prevent multiplay entirely by disallowing alts. I've seen that done too. Unless SK is in the worst programming language ever, there should be no reason the language code can't be applied to "*" in the emote and pemote code.


As for being adverse to learning local languages, would you learn the language of a kingdom you're ideologically opposed to, your kingdom's at war with, or otherwise are, as a hole against you, if you're not intending to spy or otherwise require an understanding of the -spoken- language?

A bullet sounds the same in every language, I believe is the phrase? But on SK, a nocked arrow or bolt sounds like incomprehensible gestures unless you know the language.

Pretty sure if someone attacks you, it bypasses the language.


And yes. I would learn the language of a nation I was opposed to. Because chances are they're opposed right back. Kind of stupid to play sitting duck because you can't be arsed to learn a language. If you're looking right at your enemy, and want to "RP" -one- of you is going to have to step down from your ridiculous pair of high horses and swallow the language pill.

Yeah. It does. But that's not loading your crossbow, and pointing it at the person that just stepped on your property without your permission.

And does it make sense, aside from the OOC -requirement- to learn a language you'll never speak, just so you can shoo someone away, or loom over them and stare them down? All the censored emote really means, is you have to, in the long run, learn the language of anybody you might have any interaction with that doesn't start with the kill or shoot command.

Not to mention the fact that it does turn away decent RPers. Some of the best RP I ever had, was emoting various gestures in an effort to ICly communicate around a language barrier. Something that would be done in RL too. But -cannot- be done in SK.