The Quality of an Item

Achernar · **Posted:** Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:43 am

laeZ1 wrote:

Let's say we have a helm, with no enchantments on it, and it's outstanding quality.

The helm is enchanted to Near God-like.

The helm is faded, and has no enchantments, but the quality is still Near God-like.

Is it better than the original? Neither have enchantments, they're made out of the same stuff, but one's outstanding, and the other is near god-like.

The difference between the two is very little effectively. In regular use the helmets will not perform any differently.

stratford · **Posted:** Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:39 pm

The classic example is stock steel spears vs. fire elementals. Base (stock, let us say average quality) they will not affect the elemental. Seriously, do 0 damage. Enchant that same spear to near-godlike and you'll do regular subtype-based damage again.

I always thought this carried over to armor too, both in AC and in 'chance to get brilliants' enchantments. Apparently it doesn't.

jhorleb · **Posted:** Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:21 pm

stratford wrote:

The classic example is stock steel spears vs. fire elementals. Base (stock, let us say average quality) they will not affect the elemental. Seriously, do 0 damage. Enchant that same spear to near-godlike and you'll do regular subtype-based damage again.

I always thought this carried over to armor too, both in AC and in 'chance to get brilliants' enchantments. Apparently it doesn't.

I think a ways back the quality of armor did affect how effective it was. Similarly, I think the quality of a weapon used to affect how much damage it did. Neither seems to be true now, though.

spammer4life · **Posted:** Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:51 pm

mundufisen wrote:

Felgus wrote:

From what I've gathered, the quality of the item indicates how many enchantments can be put on it. For example, an average quality item can take three runes, above average four, and so on. Increasing the quality through enchantments means that you can put another rune on the item.

False.

Why would you be a jerk and just say false and not inform him of the way it works? Seems like you think your some bad [REDACTED] or something huh. I am kind of noticing that here a lot of people with big egos. Anyway....

To the topic at hand, I have played a sorc one time to champion, I found out that you never know how the enchants are going to go down or how well the item is going to enchant until you keep trying over and over and over again. For people who want that perfectly enchanted item its going to take some time. As for enchanting raising armor class, it does not. If you take a piece of addy no enchants, enchant it as much as you can then fade it, its going to have the same ac as when you first got it, just less of a chance to add more enchants on it. Also from what I am being told, shrinking and resizing takes away from the layers of enchants that can be put on a weapon/piece of armor. If I am wrong do correct me pls k thx.

evena · **Posted:** Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:24 am

You're right about that. For some reason, a sizing counts as a spell placed on an item. ALWAYS best to enchant first, size later.

grep · **Joined:** Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:50 pm **Posts:** 5522

Like I've been saying.

Size matters.

evena · **Posted:** Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:31 am

That's not what was being discussed, at all, when you asserted that size matters.

grep · **Joined:** Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:50 pm **Posts:** 5522

Size always matters, then.

evena · **Posted:** Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:53 am

You've issues, of the serious nature.

mundufisen · **Posted:** Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:45 am

spammer4life wrote:

mundufisen wrote:

Felgus wrote:

From what I've gathered, the quality of the item indicates how many enchantments can be put on it. For example, an average quality item can take three runes, above average four, and so on. Increasing the quality through enchantments means that you can put another rune on the item.

False.

Why would you be a jerk and just say false and not inform him of the way it works? Seems like you think your some bad rear or something huh. I am kind of noticing that here a lot of people with big egos. Anyway....

To the topic at hand, I have played a sorc one time to champion, I found out that you never know how the enchants are going to go down or how well the item is going to enchant until you keep trying over and over and over again. For people who want that perfectly enchanted item its going to take some time. As for enchanting raising armor class, it does not. If you take a piece of addy no enchants, enchant it as much as you can then fade it, its going to have the same ac as when you first got it, just less of a chance to add more enchants on it. Also from what I am being told, shrinking and resizing takes away from the layers of enchants that can be put on a weapon/piece of armor. If I am wrong do correct me pls k thx.

People say that resizing counts as an 'enchant slot', but I've resized several things and enchanted them and have never noticed a difference in my enchanting.

And with you saying I have a big ego, I didn't write an explanation for why it was wrong because there was no need...It was just wrong altogether.

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