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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:52 pm 
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Yeah that's what I'm saying. Can you prove me wrong?

(Might mean you have to research instead of taking a break)

Fantasy and roleplaying games are based on stories and imagination explaining how things came to be. Follow stories back far enough and you get to religion and mythology.

Why shouldn't those spells be considered necromancy? Someone is dead. They are made to be alive. If that isn't black magic I don't know what is. Especially since raise dead has a (temporary) timer, and there is no such timer on raise/resurrect.

Necromancy is only evil if it is someone elses religion?


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stratford wrote:
Yeah that's what I'm saying. Can you prove me wrong?

(Might mean you have to research instead of taking a break)

Fantasy and roleplaying games are based on stories and imagination explaining how things came to be. Follow stories back far enough and you get to religion and mythology.

Why shouldn't those spells be considered necromancy? Someone is dead. They are made to be alive. If that isn't black magic I don't know what is. Especially since raise dead has a (temporary) timer, and there is no such timer on raise/resurrect.

Necromancy is only evil if it is someone elses religion?


Simply Google search on Necromancy

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sorcery: the belief in magical spells that harness occult forces or evil spirits to produce unnatural effects in the world


And that is why they will never be a necromancer in the Druids. They may not be 100% nature RP, but that doesn't mean they will forgo all of their history and let necromancers in.


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As you get older you are also decaying sequentially.

What's the difference between that and "zombies?"

There aren't any zombies that last longer than a day in-game, besides mobiles, which don't count.

Therefore there is no such thing as unnatural state of decay.


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stratford wrote:
Yeah that's what I'm saying. Can you prove me wrong?

(Might mean you have to research instead of taking a break)

Fantasy and roleplaying games are based on stories and imagination explaining how things came to be. Follow stories back far enough and you get to religion and mythology.

Why shouldn't those spells be considered necromancy? Someone is dead. They are made to be alive. If that isn't black magic I don't know what is. Especially since raise dead has a (temporary) timer, and there is no such timer on raise/resurrect.

Necromancy is only evil if it is someone elses religion?


Roleplaying stories may be based on mythology, but they have evolved into an art form of their own where anything is possible.

Now, if I were to indulge myself and follow your mythological/religious hypothesis and consider the notion of resurrection I would most certainly be assured that it is in fact NOT a form of black magic or necromancy. Unless you're trying to tell me that Jesus came back as a mindless, brain-eating zombie.

Regardless of that, you need to stop comparing SK to myths, religion, etc. it is a world of its own, with its own philosophies, doctrines, religions and even natural laws.


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Bill Kourney is unnatural.

He's been around for much longer than any human should possibly live. And he still looks like he did the day I started playing.


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You think Jesus is the only human being who has ever been claimed to have come back from the dead, to have been resurrected?

The only difference between necromancy and the resurrection of Jesus is WHO DID IT. Some tribal bone shaman or some invisible wizard up in the sky.

Everything in SK and any other game is based on somebody elses stories.


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You think Jesus is the only human being who has ever been claimed to have come back from the dead, to have been resurrected?

The only difference between necromancy and the resurrection of Jesus is WHO DID IT. Some tribal bone shaman or some invisible wizard up in the sky.

Everything in SK and any other game is based on somebody elses stories.


No, Jesus wasn't the only person, I didn't in any way insinuate that I thought he was the only person and quite frankly that doesn't relate to the current topic of discussion in any way.

WHO DID IT is not the only difference. When a person is resurrected, they COME BACK TO LIFE. When a corpse is animated THEY DON'T COME BACK TO LIFE.

That is the fundamental difference.


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Actually they do.

Temporarily.

Undead = Not Dead. Not Dead = Alive?

You're saying that being alive means 'being able to reason?' Do animals reason?


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No, I'm not relating living to reason. I am relating living to breathing, eating, drinking, having a functioning, living body that is not maintained by necromancy, but by some sort of natural law or process.

Let's not make this into a "Do undead dream of undead sheep?" shall we?


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Undead means a body that isn't dead but still moves like it's alive. It doesn't mean something that alive.


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