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What's too easy about leveling?
I level faster than I want. 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
I spam (skill/spell) on NPCs and that's boring. 9%  9%  [ 4 ]
Nothing is a challenge. WHY DON'T I DIE MORE! 12%  12%  [ 5 ]
Leveling isn't too easy! Why do people think that? 35%  35%  [ 15 ]
I like leveling just fine. Why do you make stupid poles metalman? 30%  30%  [ 13 ]
It's obviously because...(explain please) 9%  9%  [ 4 ]
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 Post subject: Re: WHY is leveling too easy?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:57 am 
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Edoras wrote:
The difference between champion 4 and GM for locate object, for example, is like night and day.



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:04 am 
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the_me wrote:
I'd say take your sweet time. Religions cannot refuse you based on your level, and I don't think any Cabals/Tribunals would if you insisted. I joined one at journeyman, and would have sooner had I been able to find a leader sooner! But with Cabals/Tribunals, you won't be able to do too much of any use until veteran status anyway, but the RP can be fun!


Agreed re: the rp, heh. I'll confess to having played somewhat briefly back when the recall point in Exile was the fountain in the square, and some of the heroes were still alive (Jalma, et al), and leveling my sprite sorc took me about a 1000 years it seemed. So taking time to rp with others now has been a great way to actually learn what the hell is going on, and is still more fun than reading "You have to get up first" a bunch of times. This thread just made me curious about the prize at the bottom of the cereal box.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:07 am 
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the_me wrote:
I personally don't like the whole "The game doesn't start until champ+" mentality at all. There really isn't anything other than skills, spells, and stats that you gain from leveling. It is just by champion status, when you have everything, you can be used like a tool by the veterans.
Two words: near-godlike.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:32 am 
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the_me wrote:
I personally don't like the whole "The game doesn't start until champ+" mentality at all. There really isn't anything other than skills, spells, and stats that you gain from leveling. It is just by champion status, when you have everything, you can be used like a tool by the veterans.


I mean other than skills, spells, stats, areas, items... there's nothing that you gain from leveling! Except for the fact that this game is made of skills, spells, stats, areas, and items, RP and PK. And I'm not sure I get what you mean by "used like a tool by the veterans."

I am a proponent of prolific, deep, and consistent RP more than most people who play now would ever really know. I love to RP all the time, and do so when there are people along the way to do it. That doesn't mean that it's right to dismiss 6/7s of the game's construction in favor of it. Leveling very tangibly unlocks a large portion of the game in the most literal sense. There are some things you mechanically can not do without the levels, areas you cannot visit, stories you cannot be told/uncover, spells you cannot use, stat points you cannot get. This is a MUD, not a MUSH. You are even limited to the areas your level can enter and survive.

The four corners of a MUD personality are: killer, achiever, explorer, socializer. When the entire spectrum of socialization is only unlocked by the coalescence of PK respectability...there's a reason the motto is "where roleplay and tactics collide." You can't really roleplay a despot if a bakemono can rip your throat out, you know? And those other three corners rely on XP at the outset, so please:

Keep a healthy head about you, always RP, interact, and enjoy the game. Just don't let the idea settle in that you can enjoyably experience any more than half of it (and probably a lot less) in the low level brackets. Enjoy that visible half thoroughly, just keep in mind that other half exists.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:47 am 
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*cackle* so I have to share this, having read this paragraph RIGHT after reading the latest responses in this particular thread. DISCLAIMER: I am posting this independent of any political content, and is strictly limited to the language used by the author!

From an article in Forbes: "You hear this echoed time and again on Fox News: public sector workers get better benefits than private sector workers, we need to bring them down, bring them in line with the private sector, save the taxpayer money. This is completely backwards. We need to level up the middle class, level up the private sector..."

made me laugh.

(reference: http://blogs.forbes.com/erikkain/2011/0 ... -teachers/" target="_BLANK)


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:18 pm 
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jerinx wrote:
And I'm not sure I get what you mean by "used like a tool by the veterans."


I can explain that, for sure. It goes like:

XXX says: Know any barbarians about?
YYY says: Yeah, I think ZZZ is one.
XXX says: ZZZ any good?
YYY says: Champion, I think.
XXX says: Good enough.

Or something like that. Maybe I can't explain as well as I thought. But the veterans know you are champ+, they will start to use you. Especially a mage. So many times just contacted out of the blue playing late at night when there was absolutely nobody I've greeted and a title that couldn't possibly lead people to believe I was a priest and/or mage, and keep on getting requests for enchantment.

I can agree fully with your last statement. I wasn't trying to say that leveling isn't important. Just trying to say that you need never feel rushed in your leveling. If you get bored of mindless leveling, go try to find someone to interact with! :)


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:19 pm 
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Rodwen wrote:
Veteran status is a brick wall. Getting through veteran takes 75% of my desire to get to GM and grinds it in a blender, poors it down a trolls throat, waits approx. 8 hours (or however long it takes for a troll's digestive system to work) and then it gets love out, then eaten by a dog who gets poison from the troll so he throws it up and dies while laying in it, and maggots eat the dog and vomit and turn into flies that go onto the highway and splattered across a truck's windshield.


When you get to veteran go explore areas, should net you about 3.5 levels in an hour or so.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:20 pm 
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providing you can get around with ease.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:56 pm 
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The only problem I have with leveling is the fact that quests now have level ranges attached which sucks. I find a lot of new quests when I'm exploring on my higher level characters, only to find out that when I complete the quest or check it, I will get 0 experience for doing so. I think that quests shouldn't be level restricted.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:14 pm 
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It's hard for someone who knows the game well to comment on how hard leveling is I realize. If you know the game it's a fairly monotonous experience. I wish it wasn't, but it is.


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