Shattered Kingdoms

Did you resize this weapon to be giant-sized? I've tweaked this a few times, but sometimes resizing still makes things heavier than they would have been when built that size to begin with. But it's not nearly as bad as it would be if you could resize it in real-life because every doubling in size would multiply the weight by eight and the resize spell doesn't even double the weight these days.

I also do partially agree that this is one of the downsides of being a giant. Someone else recently told me I was racist against giants because so many doors are size giant and they can't bring their huge-sized mounts with them.

But it's not true. I do support giants. With magic. Because giants need magic just to exist. In a non-magical world, a giant would collapse under it's own weight.

Thanks for the reply, D. Yes the item in question was resized to be giant sized. At the time I was wearing a full suit of tanso steel armor from Exile. My weight was still rather low at around 370/550ish or so. The axe itself was immensely heavy weighing in over 100 lbs or so.

Regardless though, why does such a strength limitation exist? I mean I can see it existing for smaller races, but giants have max strength. We're talking about giants that can lift and throw boulders that weigh 100+ lbs with ease, yet he can't wield a stone axe? Yeah, sure it's heavy, but it makes no sense both logically and thematically. "Giant Strength" makes people lift things they normally couldnt and even then, I can see some things a Giant can't lift, such as say, fountains and whatnot. Those are going to be humungous and weigh a metric ton, but unable to physical hold a mere 120 lbs with both hands?

Also as far as the downsides go, Giant's already have a few. One is having to resize gear, being weak to lightning which smart classes can utilize. It's not like they can't be thrown a bone every once in a while. Don't get me wrong, they're very good and still competitive, I'm not saying they aren't, but it sucks when you've spent literally days looking for a certain type of weapon, to finally find one, spend a couple more hours waiting to get it sized properly only to find out you can't even lift it with max strength..That's a big let down. At the time I made the post, I was pretty frustrated and it showed and I apologize for that.

Anyways, I'm tired. Sorry for going off on a tangent.

Oh, and one more thing..Ther'es a weird bug with resizing things logging on and off while we're talking about it. My Sp[rite often times resizes herself for rp purposes, but if I don't take off my clothes when I do it, it goes all wonky. Things will go from tiny to giant instantly, fall off and then when i go to resize them, they'll just bounce from giant to tiny a few times before sorting themselves out. I can replicate the bug at anytime if you want to see it. Thanks, D.

It's not just being able to hold a 120 pound item. It's being able to swing it around like an actual weapon.

Sure, carrying a 120 pound item isn't too bad, but you don't see anybody swinging that thing around and trying to hit someone with it, because they'd collapse after the third or fourth failed attempt at a strike.

I'm sorry, are we talking about human terms or giant terms?

Can a 12 foot giant wield a 120 pound weapon? Why not? He's a damn giant.

I am sure if we we lived in a world of midgets we would be arguing that we can't wield a sledgehammer because they are too damn heavy and QQ moar dumb pecks.

Either way, I agree obsidian weight is a bit extreme as it is now, I am looking right at you Collegium and your need to make me waste tons of money as a young character trying to get enough str mods to lift you.

Obsidian weapons suck bigtime anyway.

I think we've entered official nerdhood when we're arguing over what a Giant would and would not really be able to wield.

That being said, there's no way a Giant could wield a 120lb axe! Hold it, sure. Use it as a weapon? Think about how strong his wrists would have to be.

True, but at the same time as Dulrik said, even the concept of a giant couldn't be sustained in the real world, forget about the wrists, you can't help but pity those 8 feet tall people with all them back problems and joint aches and gods know what, that said, if we are thinking about game terms you have to step out of a reality and balance the game within what is fair in the game world, once you start to conceptualize and take things out of a fantasy game because you are applying real world logic to a fantasy world then you have a whole other set of problems. It's simple, there are weapons in the game, a giant sized weapon should be allowed to be wielded by giants.

I mean, because we apply a strict logic sometimes we definitely make the world suffer, there are griffons out there who are gimped out of a specific cabal's trademark abilities and centaurs are not simply because of the name of the skill and the anatomical difference of a quadruped and the concept of what is a lion and what is a horse, in that scenario there was no consideration about what SHOULD be the right choice within the game balance, but rather one of pseudo logic that in the end all it did was gimp an entire race of fun option towards the enjoyment of their character..

I agree. I always get really pissed off when game-balance or game-fun is made a secondary concern to worries about "reality." The worst offenders are those jackasses who take time out of their busy day banging their heads against cement walls to say "don't do the ecrime if u cant do the time lolz." I imagine that everyone who says this is either buck-toothed as a result of inbreeding or is missing both front teeth as a result of having slammed his face against a cement wall many many times.

Giants can carry up to 575 lbs, right? And the weapon weighs 120lbs?
Let's do some simple math to determine if a giant should be able to wield that.
120/575= 24/115 or 0.21 (rounded)
humans can carry around 475 right? The same ratio works the weight of the weapon to
around 95 lbs. Go swing around a 95 lb anything for five minutes and tell me how you feel.

I know this doesn't matter as far the argument "it's a fantasy game!" but this is an explanation as to why.

How much does this thing weigh when it's size medium?

Giants can pick up trees and swing them around like clubs but they can't wield 120 lb axe?

Wow...the logic of this thread fails me....