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What do you think?
Increase to 1 obsidian coin. 50%  50%  [ 10 ]
Increase to 3-5 platinum coins. 40%  40%  [ 8 ]
1 platinum coin is fine. 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
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 Post subject: Re: Can we increase the Trust Fund amount
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:52 pm 
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Seek out and ask Miss Havisham. She might know.


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 Post subject: Re: Can we increase the Trust Fund amount
PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:15 am 
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"Trust Fund" was just a mechanism to explain why the money was in the bank, instead of on your person.

See, the newest of the new newbies are the ones most likely to need that coin, and if they needed it badly they had probably died once or twice already... losing the coin we give them to start out with.

So it was changed to be more of a safety net in the bank where a newbie can recover from, instead of sitting on their corpse out in the wilderness 5 random leagues into the scrub outside the city.

Perhaps the echo about the bestowing of coin could be made kingdom specific / more thematic per starting city? ...or have you not even chosen a starting town yet when you're awarded the money?


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 Post subject: Re: Can we increase the Trust Fund amount
PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:40 am 
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Yeah, and newbs need that coin to blow on training skills. It really makes no sense to deny them 1 platinum coin, which they can use until novice status when they will most likely leave the newb school with over an obsidian.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:49 am 
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Viltrax's reasons are valid, but when it comes down to it, the REAL real reason for the trust fund is because starting gold is yet another feature that we trusted players with until they abused it too much. Many players would create and delete 10+ new characters and immediately drop the starting gold of each one at their start zone so that they could start out with a horde of money. Is this cheating? You bet. But people did it because it was easy and the chances of getting caught were slim. Trust fund prevents this cheating by making you actually have to play the character for awhile before getting your starting gold. Back when we added the trust fund, we made the newbie schools cheaper with many free items and exempted them from the economy. There shouldn't be any reason for complaint, but if you think one of the newbie zones doesn't follow that policy, typo log it.


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 Post subject: Re: Can we increase the Trust Fund amount
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:35 pm 
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Why not just make it a timer? If a named character is deleted, you must wait an hour before someone else can roll that named character. Also, people who chose they are not new to shatteredkingdoms will not get a trust fund and the cash right away. True newbies still get a trust fund.


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 Post subject: Re: Can we increase the Trust Fund amount
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:44 am 
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Tragonis wrote:
Also, people who chose they are not new to shatteredkingdoms will not get a trust fund and the cash right away. True newbies still get a trust fund.


And.. that will help, because, generally, there is some greater force stopping me from choosing "Yes" in the "Are you new to shattered kingdoms" question... Nah, if someone wants to take advantage of this feature, they'll just answer yes every time they create.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:34 am 
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Tragonis wrote:
Why not just make it a timer? If a named character is deleted, you must wait an hour before someone else can roll that named character. Also, people who chose they are not new to shatteredkingdoms will not get a trust fund and the cash right away. True newbies still get a trust fund.

I guess I didn't explain the problem well enough, but neither of those ideas would have solved the problem at all.


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 Post subject: Re: Can we increase the Trust Fund amount
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:46 pm 
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I'm probably not the one to think of this first, you may have considered this already; what if we offered 1 platinum coin when 'lowbies' graduate from the newbie schools, and ~five more at initiate? I sincerely believe this would help the game, and for veterans that five platinum coins isn't worth leveling to initiate to cheat for.


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