Circle Bug

ObjectivistActivist · **Posted:** Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:45 am

Reading the full log from another source, I can see that he was front row with a reaching weapon.

Muktar · **Posted:** Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:59 am

Wait, I thought that there were no rogue weapons with reach?

Terrus · **Posted:** Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:21 am

ObjectivistActivist wrote:

Reading the full log from another source, I can see that he was front row with a reaching weapon.

Oh I misread this small snippet, I thought the said enemy was forced into combat round 1 but that was just a midnight guard.

I still agree though he should have been considered to be in combat.

Nightwing · **Posted:** Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:13 am

I'm pretty sure the only real "bug" here is that you're attacking a linkdead character. All bets are off in that situation.

FinneyOwnzU · **Joined:** Wed Apr 24, 2002 11:51 am **Posts:** 1500

Nightwing wrote:

I'm pretty sure the only real "bug" here is that you're attacking a linkdead character. All bets are off in that situation.

Yeah, cause I have a way of knowing someone is linkdead or ghosted in the middle of combat. Idiot.

Nightwing · **Posted:** Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:18 pm

Unlike you, my previous statement wasn't trying to provoke an attack or criticize you, even if the fact that a person with whom you were in combat two minutes prior is now standing still and performing zero actions doesn't trigger anything for you. I was simply pointing out that linkdead characters behave differently. Notice how he doesn't actually attack even when he's under direct damage and holding a reaching weapon, so he could clearly hit the aggressor?

Two other things, aside from his being linkdead, might contribute to the problem. First, his group leader (e.g., me) was not actually in combat. Second, he has auto assist turned off.

FinneyOwnzU · **Joined:** Wed Apr 24, 2002 11:51 am **Posts:** 1500

Nightwing wrote:

Unlike you, my previous statement wasn't trying to provoke an attack or criticize you, even if the fact that a person with whom you were in combat two minutes prior is now standing still and performing zero actions doesn't trigger anything for you. I was simply pointing out that linkdead characters behave differently. Notice how he doesn't actually attack even when he's under direct damage and holding a reaching weapon, so he could clearly hit the aggressor?

Two other things, aside from his being linkdead, might contribute to the problem. First, his group leader (e.g., me) was not actually in combat. Second, he has auto assist turned off.

You're wrong on both counts. This behavior is not unique to link dead characters. I see this exact "bug" quite frequently when I am doing PvE, too. The game is simply inaccurate and slow at interpreting when a character or monster is fighting.

Hence, my suggestion that circle should be contingent upon a character having a racing pulse instead of being flagged as fighting.

FinneyOwnzU · **Joined:** Wed Apr 24, 2002 11:51 am **Posts:** 1500

Here is another log snippet from PvE, with circle bugging out again. This is really frustrating - please change circle to work all the time. Something in the code is not registering targets as fighting.

Code:

The Floating Stairway
  This staircase seems to wind ever upwards into the heights of this tower,
spiralling gracefully between several landings.  The steps are carved out of
alabaster marble and quite flat, exhuding a mystical, intense white glow. 
Closer inspection reveals that they aren't in fact connected with each other
but hover in mid-air, kept there through magical means.  Several identical
doors on each landing lead past stone archways and deeper into the tower. 
The peripheral view from the stairway is quite dizzying, one's gaze lost in
the tower's white brilliance.   
Obvious exits: n e s w u d
Fhaeron is here, fighting Avril.
Scarab is here, fighting Avril.
Morzatu (a drab male centaur) is here, fighting Fhaeron.
Reinald (a well-bred male human) is flying here.
Kaim (a dignified male elf) is here, fighting Fhaeron.
Callie (a blond female half-elf) is flying here.
Avril (an alabaster male sprite) is here, fighting Fhaeron.
Aurenna (a brash female half-elf) is here, fighting Fhaeron.
Aotlan (a dapper male gnome) is here.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> 
Kaim utters the words, 'judicandus qfuhuqar'.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
Callie's piercing wail echoes off Scarab's chest.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> 
Fhaeron lightly touches Avril.
Fhaeron glows with mystical energy!
Avril turns blue and shivers.
Avril twitches in pain as Fhaeron touches him with its chilly hands!

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> 
Aurenna tries to disarm Fhaeron, but fails.
Callie's piercing wail echoes off Scarab's chest.
Callie stings at Scarab's chest, causing a deep gash.
Callie's piercing wail echoes off Scarab's chest.
Angry spirits manifest around Avril and rain curses upon Scarab.
Scarab pierces at Avril's head, causing a small scratch.
Angry spirits manifest around Avril and rain curses upon Scarab.
Scarab pierces at Avril's stomach, causing a small wound.
Angry spirits manifest around Avril and rain curses upon Fhaeron.
Fhaeron cleaves at Avril's chest, barely scratching him.
Angry spirits manifest around Avril and rain curses upon Fhaeron.
Fhaeron cleaves Avril's forehead, causing a small wound.
Angry spirits manifest around Avril and rain curses upon Fhaeron.
Fhaeron cleaves at Avril's chest, causing only a minor wound.
Angry spirits manifest around Avril and rain curses upon Fhaeron.
Fhaeron cleaves at Avril's right hand, causing some minor scratches.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> circle scara
Their party isn't fighting right now.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> 
Aotlan starts to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> 
Callie tries to disarm Scarab, but fails.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> 
Morzatu pierces Fhaeron's forehead, causing a small gash.
Callie's piercing wail echoes off Scarab's head.
Callie stings at Scarab's chest, causing a deep gash.
Avril punches Fhaeron's forehead, causing a small gash.
Angry spirits manifest around Avril and rain curses upon Scarab.
Scarab pierces at Avril's stomach, smashing a deep gash.
Angry spirits manifest around Avril and rain curses upon Scarab.
Scarab pierces at Avril's head, causing a pulsating wound.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> 
Aurenna tries to trip Fhaeron but ends up tripping herself!
>>>>>>> MISSED TRIP <<<<<<<
Fhaeron rescues Scarab!

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> circle fhae
Their party isn't fighting right now.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> circle fhae
Their party isn't fighting right now.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> 
Callie tries to disarm Fhaeron, but fails.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> 
Callie's piercing wail echoes off Fhaeron's chest.
Callie stings at Fhaeron's head, causing a pulsating wound.
Callie's piercing wail echoes off Fhaeron's chest.
Avril punches at Fhaeron's chest, causing a big, bleeding wound!
Avril punches at Fhaeron's chest, causing a big, bleeding wound!
Angry spirits manifest around Avril and rain curses upon Scarab.
Scarab pierces at Avril's head, causing a pulsating wound.
Fhaeron wipes its boots in the face of Avril!
Angry spirits manifest around Avril and rain curses upon Fhaeron.
Fhaeron cleaves at Avril's left toe, scratching it slightly.
Angry spirits manifest around Avril and rain curses upon Fhaeron.
Fhaeron cleaves Avril's stomach, cutting a deep gash.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> 
Aotlan utters the words, 'pzar'.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> look

Aotlan gets a violet vial of heal from a looming cowled cloak of penitence.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> 
The Floating Stairway
  This staircase seems to wind ever upwards into the heights of this tower,
spiralling gracefully between several landings.  The steps are carved out of
alabaster marble and quite flat, exhuding a mystical, intense white glow. 
Closer inspection reveals that they aren't in fact connected with each other
but hover in mid-air, kept there through magical means.  Several identical
doors on each landing lead past stone archways and deeper into the tower. 
The peripheral view from the stairway is quite dizzying, one's gaze lost in
the tower's white brilliance.   
Obvious exits: n e s w u d
Fhaeron is here, fighting Avril.
Scarab is here, fighting Avril.
Morzatu (a drab male centaur) is here, fighting Fhaeron.
Reinald (a well-bred male human) is flying here.
Kaim (a dignified male elf) is here, fighting Fhaeron.
Callie (a blond female half-elf) is here, fighting Fhaeron.
Avril (an alabaster male sprite) is here, fighting Fhaeron.
Aurenna (a brash female half-elf) is lying here prone.
Aotlan (a dapper male gnome) is here.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> 
Fhaeron grins as Avril is engulfed in a poisonous cloud!
Fhaeron glows with mystical energy!
Avril turns slightly green, but it passes.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> 
Kaim starts to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> circle scarab
Their party isn't fighting right now.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> 
Callie tries to disarm Fhaeron, but fails.
Morzatu pierces at Fhaeron's head, causing a pulsating wound.
Kaim's acidic bite burns Fhaeron's chest.
Callie stings at Fhaeron's head, causing a pulsating wound.
Callie's piercing wail vibrates Fhaeron's chest.
Avril punches at Fhaeron's chest, causing a big, bleeding wound!
Fhaeron wipes its boots in the face of Avril!
Angry spirits manifest around Avril and rain curses upon Fhaeron.
Fhaeron cleaves at Avril's chest, barely scratching him.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> circle fhae
Their party isn't fighting right now.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> circle scar
Their party isn't fighting right now.

[HP:100%] [ME: 62%] [PE:100%]
> 

Sargas · **Posted:** Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:35 pm

I don't see why Circle shouldn't just always work. It's really just a weaker backstab, so if you use it wrongly instead of backstab, it's just a slightly-stronger-than-normal strike.

Edoras · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:40 am

Actually, if circle stab worked all the time, it would be extremely powerful: As things stand there are ways to keep your own pulse racing to avoid backstab, and circle stab is an extremely powerful instant attack, capable of doing upwards of 33% damage to a sanc'ed Max HP human barbarian.

If you want to catch someone offguard, you have to use backstab: Circling around someone's formation requires them to either be not paying attention (IE: Pulse not racing), or be distracted by their group being in combat.

If anything, circle being able to also be used like backstab (AKA whenever someone's pulse isn't racing) would be okay, but anything more would be extremely powerful. What does need to happen is for the group combat code to be fixed.

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