Shattered Kingdoms

I don't see why we need to punish people who have brains and successfully use things correctly then. I'm with Nightwing. There are limits to what bash can do. Sure it's great against front row people, and in 1v1, but it becomes less effective in other situations. I mean one of the easiest things to do, going to the local pet shop and buying a pet will completely neutralize the bash skill.

Also, I can tell you from experience it is very scary when your character misses a bash. This happens a lot more than you might think.

See, that's just it. There is no circumstance under which bashing at the start of the fight should dictate the entire engagement, unless the players involved have not prepared adequately.


When I'm referring to lag in this scenario, I'm not referring to the traditional (old-school) bash lag which can actually be averted by disconnecting. I'm talking about the super-cool-new-fast-effects system lag that has already processed your messages and is now punishing you for spamming, e.g., what the victim of a bash currently sees when the execute a command. But ultimately, I think we just have different opinions on what makes a good fight. Personally, I ascribe to the mentality that PK is two-thirds preparation, one third execution. Introducing fast-effect lag on the basher's side turns combat into more of a timing issue, and really doesn't do that much but a) encourage triggering and b) reward the person with "luckier" timing once a melee character has finally managed to get the upper hand (which, again, should never be at the outset of the battle, or you're doing something wrong).

Missing a bash is so deadly. It means that not only are you prone for longer than a normal bash lasts, but your opponent is also not prone or lagged at all, for that matter: So he gets about 4 free rounds to quaff heals, buff up, disarm you, do whatever, and still be able to bash you when you get up: The best you can get by bashing someone is 1.5 combat rounds more than your opponent, which means that just two quaff heals can let him get away or let him win bash privilege himself.

My gnome merc went from practically soloing a 2v1 against Deamuce and Keleza to dead in one missed bash. That's all it takes.

Bashing at the start of the fight currently determines the outcome in 90% of combat, regardless of preparation, because of the insane success rate on bash and the number of NPCs/characters with it. You get two bashers in a group against an opponent and you've got a win. Even if one misses, the other won't. Against a single basher in 1v1 (lol, like that happens a lot), there's maybe a 5% chance that the first to throw the bash gives the other fighter a chance to do *anything* other than stand there and watch their HPs drop because of bashlock.

In group combat, the two opponents should beat one opponent. Don't really see the problem here.

In one on one, you're wrong, and Ardith has already provided one of the most trivial and accessible ways to get out of bashlock.

I said "practically soloing" because I told Lynard not to bother with songs of sleep, which meant that all he did was C major and dirt kick.

You should not be able to quaff while bash locking someone, I propose that after a bash you get an affect that does not allow you to quaff for three rounds, this would ensure that bashers have to choose between bash locking, or quaffing to stay alive, that would be a fine change to bash. My only problem with it is bash/quaff/spam bash/quaff/spam bash/quaff

I actually approve of this idea.

FYI: There are changes ready for fly to go in at the same time as the enchant changes. In addition to a greater penalty to hit, it will also increase cast time.

So, any timetable when these are looking to possibly go into effect? Not asking a deadline but just more generally.