Shattered Kingdoms

It's not that her or your opinion "matters" less than mine. It's that your opinion is more frequently wrong than mine is. My cousin teaches math, and one of his 6th grade students writes "and that's my opinion" at the end of every math problem. His parents told him that opinions are never wrong, and he was outraged when he was marked down for mathematical errors.

You remind me of that kid.

It also seems like you are suggesting there is a necromancer who always requires large groups to fight against. Considering Kin of all people just posted a log of 1-manning syn's necro, and I can point to logs of Surrit getting run off by equal numbers, I wonder who you are talking about.

I don't think necromancers are unable to be dealt with, but typically even number logs against necros require disposable paladin tribunal NPCs and range, plus bounty hunter NPCs. That particular log posted would have turned around instantly had the necro just dispelled the elemental while ethereal. My personal beef with necromancers is when they group up with others and still have a ton of undead to plow through. A lone necromancer isn't too awful to deal with.

Just double checked the log... Attacking a necro when he doesn't have his army of undead is not saying much. That is like attacking a merc without armor. So, once again I ask, name a person that was playing a non-necro, require large groups to kill them. Learn your ABC's buddy. It absolutely means that her opinion means less than yours. Don't try to white-wash it, when someone called you on it. So, can we have a real example, please?

Alaric required groups to kill. My gnome hammer merc required groups to kill. Any tribunal character with ranged damage capabilities requires multiple PCs to kill unless they screw up. Fighting a Harlequin without someone to dispel is absolutely terrible, and the same with druids. Really, any caster who plays his cards right is going to require a group to kill them: Not necessarily just to win a fight against them, but to kill them, most certainly.

Alaric only required groups to kill because he was always in a group. Doubt your gnome hammer merc required groups to kill him. And still not used any empirical evidence of a non-necro soloing SK. Playing defense vs offense requires different strategies. Are you truly saying your gnome merc could solo through Menegroth and a large group of PC's would be required to take you down? yeah... not gonna happen.

This thread sure went places. Seems like Dulrik is gonna make a change regardless, leaving necros terribly underpowered and the rest of the playerbase on the same level as the prep-heavy pros. What will they do? Play MR griffbarbs instead? Let's hold a moment of silence for SK as we once knew it if bash gets removed from undead. The whole class would just fall apart.

Also thanks Galactus but Baldric and I are cool, just in disagreement. Not sure what kind of traction that a PvP argument between a permanoob and someone who doesn't even play is ultimately going to have. :p

Exhibit A: Rorey. Giant barbarian.
Mengroth. Rorey vs MC barb, MC merc, and MC necro (without undead army) in menegroth. Enemy group is buffed and initiates battle. Rorey lands two kills, sends necromancer running.
Menegroth. Rorey vs Crucible warlock + MC merc. Enemy group was given advanced warning of fight. Rorey kills the mercenary and runs the warlock off.
Teron. Rorey vs Crucible hellion + black hand bard. Enemy group is buffed and initiates combat. Rorey kills both of them.
Teron. Rorey vs hammer merc, peacekeeper paladin. Enemy group was in pk-mode, looking for someone to kill. Rorey forces both to flee/recall.
Moot. Rorey vs black hand necromancer + controls + black hand bard + guard NPCs + grouped guards. Rorey kills everything.

These are all fights of Rorey by himself, though I could point to logs where I have help but am outnumbered and win. Rorey died 3 times. Once in the moot vs black hand rogue + black hand swashbuckler + guard NPCs, and there were unlucky rolls involved. Once immediately after while I was unequipped to Aritha. Once after winning a 1v2 and getting ambushed by two allies while at 30% health: a necro with a full army, and a warlock, both crucible.

Oh, and I did not have an etherealform item, or a pebble necklace.

And are you saying that a necromancer can solo through any city and large groups of PCs are required to take him down?

If you think so, you're wrong.

You are, however, welcome to peruse the logs of Pilnor on the site-which-shall-not-be-named-even-though-it-put-SK-on-the-top-five-of-TMS.com. There's a log where ardith fails to kill anyone in multiple 6v4 battles which disfavor Pilnor, a log where Pilnor absolutely murders two people in a 1v2 situation, a log where Pilnor goes to the North with a giant scout against 3 defending trib members and they all have to come in to beat him, and a log where Pilnor's group, with 4 members, all-kills a 6-man attacking group very handily in Nerina, with only one casualty on his side. Then you can remember the fact that Pilnor was a gnome, which is an absolutely terrible melee race.

You're also welcome to peruse the logs of Keleza, a Hand shaman, rolling groups of PCs while solo.

You can also look at Rorey, whose raw manliness made the rest of the mud at the time look like girly-men. Rorey jumped into so many fights with absurd odds and came out on top that it's ridiculous. I can already see that Baldric already beat me to that punch though.

Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:38 am: Baldric checkmated by Galactus.

Rorey also died to a rogue, and swashbuckler, the two worst classes in the game.