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 Post subject: Re: Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles
PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 4:19 pm 
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Calm down, man. I was actually giving you constructive criticism.

Reinald was a long-lived, pro-active character who shook things up. Obviously he made some choices that other players found questionable given his lightie aura. This does not make him a rarity; a lot of long-lived lighties face criticism for some choices they make during their lifetimes. I didn't have anything to say about Reinald because I never interacted with him, or my interaction with him was brief enough that it did not leave an impression.

Something else that you might consider: I have no idea who you have played or when you met Reinald, but it might be possible that the choices he made these choices long before you even returned to SK.


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 Post subject: Re: Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles
PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 4:36 pm 
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I decided to EDIT the post as you see. I thought before it was read. But since you did read it I'll respond just this one time briefly. Why you trollin me on an afterlife thread? Even if it is "constructive criticism" You can pm me if doesn't have to do with Reinald right?

I got's me own weird ways. All things aside playing sk together rocks.

wait...now I made a post on Reinald's afterlife not about Reinald.


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 Post subject: Re: Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles
PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 4:47 pm 
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He actually nailed it. Unless you are team lightie, by default you are on team darkie. When certain people label someone as corrupt, they are considered evil and they will do as they will and feel fully justified in doing it. This whole corrupt concept, that certain people are allowed to throw around, is bull crap.


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 Post subject: Re: Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles
PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 5:27 pm 
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Don't worry about that mate. I mean we had an imm do that, you're just a puny mortal :lol:

Baldric's right about most of the complaints coming from before Eoghan's time but as they're never really substantiated I can't actually address them. Rubbish rumours like Reinald making an alliance with the MC for example that someone-not-Meissa posted on the log site (Tensarie formed that alliance and only for dealing with the demonchild GRP, Druids were involved in the plan as well, my character was always frustrated by that and knew this was going to bite him in the [REDACTED] and it did) or that Reinald pardoned or kept pardoning Cyndane which never happened either, Aurenna did that when I was semi-inactive for a while and it was mildly amusing to log in and be accused of pardoning enemies when Reinald was known to be an unforgiving jerk who never gave a pardon for anything ever -just ask Edoras about that. The list goes on and on.

I'd have loved it if people pointed out specific circumstances and said that hey, *that* was questionable/bad/irrational and at least gave me a chance to provide the reasoning or my side of the argument but instead I only see really amateurish trolling. Declaring war on Taslamar would be a great thing to mention as one of the mistakes this character has made. I was still as newbish as it gets back then, having to deal with leading a tribunal without any other faction members in it and I had a really strong MC come up and tell my character that since his sister is running around with Trolene attacking them he would be held responsible as well, so he would either have to declare war on Taslamar or get Zhenshi burned to ashes, in a smart indirect way. It was obviously a mistake but it seemed like he was caught between a rock and a hard place at the time and part of the reason I did that was because I didn't know yet that declaring war didn't give out an echo to everyone in the room.

But anyway, thanks for the kind words Jo, appreciated. I think people do not understand the RP challenges for a scrupulous pantheist in the Talons over a significant period of time which DojoJo is seeing now and that's why he's coming off as bit passionate. It can be unbelievably frustrating to be torn between the lightie hammerish jihad that claim Zhenshi as a "lightie kindgom", the more selfish-centered Harlequins and all sorts of darkies that need an advanced base of operations in Zhenshi while also protecting Zhensh citizens regardless of aura. That tribunal is probably unique in that respect and it would have been far more enjoyable to play in it if certain players avoided labelling a different playstyle than theirs as "wrong" or as a "breach of alignment".

I ultimately blame this on accumulated crud by previous generations of characters playing lighties and/or Talons. As a newbie I relied on the helpfiles to guide my playstyle (DojoJo is in the same boat as far as I know) so I was unburdened by all that which probably raised at least a part of the whining and QQ that goes on about my "greybie" character. Well, the wording of the scrupulous helpfile "..against evil-doers." might seem like semantics to people who play hammers and keepers in Taslamar (and who probably expect Talons to act in the exact same way as them) but it stops being semantics when you have a mixed aura'd population of player characters that you are obligated to protect by tribunal RP.

Great points on the alignment/multiple ways to play the light auras there. If something constructive can come out of an afterlife thread I think that is it.


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 Post subject: Re: Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles
PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:07 am 
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Erik wrote:
I ultimately blame this on accumulated crud by previous generations of characters playing lighties and/or Talons. As a newbie I relied on the helpfiles to guide my playstyle (DojoJo is in the same boat as far as I know) so I was unburdened by all that which probably raised at least a part of the whining and QQ that goes on about my "greybie" character. Well, the wording of the scrupulous helpfile "..against evil-doers." might seem like semantics to people who play hammers and keepers in Taslamar (and who probably expect Talons to act in the exact same way as them) but it stops being semantics when you have a mixed aura'd population of player characters that you are obligated to protect by tribunal RP.



This is very well said. Often times, people challenge the conventional concepts of good and evil. Some people have a problem with that. I enjoy it, though. Admittedly, there are some poor examples of characters who have tried to break the mold and offer a different view of good or evil (allikat). No one wants to see those and so maybe the pbase fears a repeat performance of such a character.


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 Post subject: Re: Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles
PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 9:07 am 
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Alignment disputes are a really [REDACTED] reason to dislike a character.


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 Post subject: Re: Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles
PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 9:56 am 
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I disagree, Fluffy. It's very frustrating when, as a lightie, you have to play with another lightie who acts like a greybie or darkie. That brings up the really annoying predicament where you will be punished for killing them solely based on their alignment, even though it doesn't seem to affect their character in any way at all. It's even worse when said character is leading a faction. That can totally ruin the game experience for people who are genuinely trying to play lighties and get stuck interacting with people who just don't get it, especially if it becomes evident that they have an OOC chip on their shoulder.


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 Post subject: Re: Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles
PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 10:22 am 
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Like there was once this hammer leader who accepted assistance from a necromancer in getting the hammer relic back, and I think he was principled alignment. rofl.


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 Post subject: Re: Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles
PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 10:26 am 
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Baldric wrote:
Like there was once this hammer leader who accepted assistance from a necromancer in getting the hammer relic back, and I think he was principled alignment. rofl.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=20471


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 Post subject: Re: Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 8:50 pm 
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Appreciate the fact you remembered Queltakahn and all the work he put in for you. As Queltakahn, I worked HARD for Reinald and I thought we had a real trust and comraderie during those times. That was a great time for me in SK and I am happy to have shared it with you. I also respect the length of time you kept Reinald for, impressive bro ;)


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