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 Post subject: Re: Code Update 07/06/2013 Q&A
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:07 am 
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Dulrik wrote:
Dual Faction: Players with multiple characters may have every character join a tribunal


I like all of the dual membership provisions, save for this one. It will inevitably lead to situations where players have one character in the the Hammer or Crucible and a second character in the Legion or Peacekeepers.

There is a reason why you aren't allowed to join cabals on multiple characters, and I strongly disagree to this option being opened up for tribunals. It has all the pitfalls and potential exploits as allowing a player to have more than one character in a cabal.


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 Post subject: Re: Code Update 07/06/2013 Q&A
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:08 am 
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Dulrik wrote:
If they cast any spells for you at all, you should consider it a bonus. I announced over a year ago that tribunal ordered casting would be going away. Now that it has happened, tribunal guards may be revised to be other classes based on the kingdom directors discretion.

I will soften this a bit by saying that if you see any ridiculous AI, please send me logs and I will look into fixing it.


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 Post subject: Re: Code Update 07/06/2013 Q&A
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:26 am 
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FinneyOwnzU wrote:
Dulrik wrote:
Dual Faction: Players with multiple characters may have every character join a tribunal

I like all of the dual membership provisions, save for this one. It will inevitably lead to situations where players have one character in the the Hammer or Crucible and a second character in the Legion or Peacekeepers.

There is a reason why you aren't allowed to join cabals on multiple characters, and I strongly disagree to this option being opened up for tribunals. It has all the pitfalls and potential exploits as allowing a player to have more than one character in a cabal.

As it is still against the rules to share knowledge between characters, I agree that this is a valid concern. However, I believe the pros outweigh the cons.

For one thing, all tribunal membership is now mandatorily public. Not only does that mean the biggest secret you could violate is no longer secret, but it will be harder to escape notice if you decide to switch to a character on the other side at a critical moment. (Which to be very clear, is still and has always been against the "sharing knowledge" rule.)

I want there to be as few reasons as possible to avoid joining a tribunal. Other than personal desire to not be involved with the law, there is no reason why every heroic (or notorious) citizen online cannot be involved in their kingdom's tribunal. With tribunals now being junior in power level to cabals, I think it is important that alts be given the ability to participate.


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 Post subject: Re: Code Update 07/06/2013 Q&A
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:55 am 
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Can any cabal join the legion or is that something unique to that cabunal.


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 Post subject: Re: Code Update 07/06/2013 Q&A
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:04 pm 
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- Leadership: Recruit command added to make it easier for a guard to join your party
- Leadership: Order all is now usable with the law guard in your party


You're welcome!


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 Post subject: Re: Code Update 07/06/2013 Q&A
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:06 pm 
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Tragonis wrote:
Can any cabal join the legion or is that something unique to that cabunal.


Anyone can join any tribunal. Only Cabals may have restrictions for membership.


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- Leadership: Recruit command added to make it easier for a guard to join your party
- Leadership: Order all is now usable with the law guard in your party

You're welcome!

It's true. Sargas fought for those enhancements.


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 Post subject: Re: Code Update 07/06/2013 Q&A
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:10 pm 
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Sargas wrote:
Tragonis wrote:
Can any cabal join the legion or is that something unique to that cabunal.

Anyone can join any tribunal. Only Cabals may have restrictions for membership.

Although the oath-breaker flag is still a thing. You can't tribunal hop or cabal hop. Since you can join one of each, there is no longer a concept of a related "sister" faction for oath-breaker.


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 Post subject: Re: Code Update 07/06/2013 Q&A
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:30 pm 
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Well crap. What am I supposed to roll now.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:00 pm 
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Dulrik wrote:
FinneyOwnzU wrote:
Dulrik wrote:
Dual Faction: Players with multiple characters may have every character join a tribunal

I like all of the dual membership provisions, save for this one. It will inevitably lead to situations where players have one character in the the Hammer or Crucible and a second character in the Legion or Peacekeepers.

There is a reason why you aren't allowed to join cabals on multiple characters, and I strongly disagree to this option being opened up for tribunals. It has all the pitfalls and potential exploits as allowing a player to have more than one character in a cabal.

As it is still against the rules to share knowledge between characters, I agree that this is a valid concern. However, I believe the pros outweigh the cons.

For one thing, all tribunal membership is now mandatorily public. Not only does that mean the biggest secret you could violate is no longer secret, but it will be harder to escape notice if you decide to switch to a character on the other side at a critical moment. (Which to be very clear, is still and has always been against the "sharing knowledge" rule.)

I want there to be as few reasons as possible to avoid joining a tribunal. Other than personal desire to not be involved with the law, there is no reason why every heroic (or notorious) citizen online cannot be involved in their kingdom's tribunal. With tribunals now being junior in power level to cabals, I think it is important that alts be given the ability to participate.

Unfortunately taking away the ability to cast spells gives everyone no reason to join a tribunal. Other than having an extra NPC to guard you.


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